Friday, April 3, 2009

White Owl Raven 1680 - 1741

Husband of Anawaya Nancy Moytoy and my 8g Grandfather

White Owl Raven was an Algonguin Infant when captured, He was adopted by the Cherokee Tribe and was raised by Woman Nancy,and was of another clan,could have been Paint Clan, which allowed him to marry Nancy Moytoy of the Wolf Clan,as People of the same clan are forbidden to marry by Cherokee Law. Later he was adopted by a man called Trader Tom Watts.,who was the friend and business partner of Thomas Pasmere Carpenter, He married Nanye Hi Nancy Moytoy II, This story by Old Frontiers, by John Brown and by Emmett Starr's history of the Cherokee.

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  1. The Raven of Hiwassee, spelled in various ways, means various Cherokee Chiefs. The Raven line, part of the Bird Band, also has links to places like Raven Rocks of Happy or Scuddy, KY and Pine Mountain and other areas. There is more than one "Raven Rocks" in Cherokee history. Some Martin families of southeast Kenticky lived in sight of Raven Rocks (Elec or Alex and Melinda Martin) and others related to the Cherokee Martin families of Cherokee Nation and tribe.
    cherokeeempire.bravehost.com June, 2010 -martin redbird

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    1. I am a Cherokee Martin. I would love to compare family tree data!

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    2. I am also a Martin Cherokee through John Martin, Enos Martin, and my great grandmother, Beula Martin. I would love to know more information!

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    3. Chief White Owl Raven Of Chota Carpenter Cherokee Indian Is listed as my 8th great grandfather . His daughter Jeanette Raven Feather is my 7th great grandmother. I would love to track my Cherokee heritage and I welcome any help I can get. My 1st great grandmother is Ollie Lillian Campbell .

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    4. He is my 9th great grandfather. His daughter, Martha "Raven Feather" (of Chote) Chandler, is my 8th great grandmothers my first great father is, George William Fitzpatrick.

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  2. A man named "White Owl" is listed as a relative of Chief Dragging Canoe in some records. He may or may not be The Raven.

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    1. White Owl Raven was grandfather to Dragging Canoe.

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    2. These are my ancestors through my grandma Wallaces side ofbthe family. Rachel West was my third great grandma its through her and her greats that make them my ancestors. My moms side are also cherokee. Would love to know more.

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  3. White Owl Raven is my great(9)-grandfather! I am 1/2048 Algonquian through him.

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  4. I have just found out in recent days that he is my 7th great grandfather. This is amazing! To find out you come from such intelligent, heroic, history making people! May I ask if you know how I can go about getting documentation proving these facts? I'm subscribed to Ancestry.com and it has been difficult figuring out the truth vs. what other people decided to slap down on their ancestral tree.

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    1. Try family search.org. thats where i havr my most detailed lines. Im still working to make sure things are historically accurate because people are crrating records for people without making sure its accurste but also making sure they know if the persons records already exist.

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    2. My friend, if you already have found out that White Owl Raven is your 7th Great Grandfather, but you haven’t even started documenting your family genealogy research and study yet, which only means one thing... You may not be related at all to White Owl Raven. Did you take a dna test? Because, you know, dna doesn’t tell you who you really are, dna especially doesn’t prove Native American? My advice and suggestion to you is to do your own family genealogy research and study and do your own family genealogy research and study through MyHeritage.com, as my is 100% highly accurate on your family documentations and they not compare your family documentations with 7 different genealogy research sites, including U.S. Government records, Ancestry and FamilySearch, but they also have U.S. Government and listenings on the different Native American Rolls, especially the Rolls for the Five Civilized Tribes like the Dawes Rolls. Unlike MyHeritage, never do any family genealogy research and study on Ancestry or FamilySearch. Not only are Ancestry and FamilySearch full of nothing more than deceptive manipulation, misleading lies, con games, tampering with, twisting and distorting of truthful facts based on money and fame, but both, Ancestry and FamilySearch only compares their tampered, twisted and distorted fake documentations that they make up about your families to their own Mormon family genealogy library in Provo, Utah. You see, does Ancestry and FamilySearch like to make up fake misleading documentations with misinformation to deceptively lie about your family, but what they also love to do, is according to Mormon religion, whenever any of family members and ancestors dies, even especially without caring about you or your family’s permission, they still convert and baptize your dead family members and family ancestors into their Mormon religion. And whatever you do, do not ever, I mean ever rely on or trust in or have anything to do with dna testing, as dna doesn’t tell you who you really are and dna doesn’t even prove Native American.

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    3. You might want to educate yourself more fully on two things rumored or based on pure speculation before announcing the chip on your shoulder about familysearch n the LDS church. I also suggest mind your own genealogy line n don't spread inaccurate information pertaining to all families within familysearch. Possibly your own genealogy line is incorrect with lack of documentation. Because It is necessary to include documentation in familysearch.org from among actual birth, marriage and death certificates also newspaper obits, gov.census, Dawes rolls,cemetery headstones,and noted family bibles. Accuracy n confirmation can always be updated by family members within the same genealogy line so to be sure information is correct. And to educate you on LDS temple ordinances one DOES need permission from closest living relative. It is unfortunate people have read the absolute inaccuracy of what you have wrote because of lack of your knowledge n research. Good luck with finding all of your genealogy line without the help of familysearch.org

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  5. He is also my 8th great grandfather. There is a long line of Chiefs. My grandpa was Henry Howard Higgins of Aloca Tenneesee.

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  6. White Owl Raven is my 9th great grandfather.My mother was Billie Thelma Kenemer,grandma Buennia Carpenter,gr grandma Irena Eleanor McDaniel,2nd gr grandpa Joseph C McDaniel,3rd gr grandma Susannah Guest,4th gr grandma Nancy Looney,5th gr grandpa Chief John Looney,6th gr grandma Mother of Looney,7th gr grandpa Blackfox,8th gr grandpa Attagullagulla,9th gr grandpa White Owl Raven,10th gr grandpa Moytoy I,11th gr grandpa Thomas Pasmere Carpenter,12th gr grandpa Robert Carpenter

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    1. Hi my name is sucora I'm doing my family history I'm a descendant of the moytoy, canoe, and carpenter's if you would please contact me at sucora2009@yahoo. Com it would be greatly appreciated thank you

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    2. Attacullaculla i guess your 9th great grandfather is my 7th great grandfather.Thru my Dameron then Qualls line

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    3. Your 11th Moytoy 1 is named Trader Tom Carpenter-also my 7th gr grandfather. He married Quatsy wolf clan

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    4. Im editing my comment. Atakullakulla is my 7th great grandfather thru my Dameron line. My 6th GG Father Moses Dameron married Maggie Little Owl Chief Atakullakulla's daughter.

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  7. Great web site!!! Lots of information. I'm searching for some info on Ann McPherson (Wind Clan)1698-1756; anyone have anything on her??? Lfoster97@att.net.

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    1. I'm also looking for information about Ann WIND CLAN McPherson.

      Can anyone help??

      winters8@yahoo.com

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    2. Ann wind clan McPherson is my 8th great grandmother, she was married to John Francis Watts, her mother was Ann Unole of the wind clan she was married to Daniel McPherson. She had a son named Thomas Poss Watts. This is all the info I have on them, if anyone else has any more info on them please email me kelly01975smith@gmail.com. would love to learn about them.

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    3. Her mother was Ann unole of the muskogee wind clan

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    4. Ann McPherson was the wife of Old Chief John Watts, mother of Chief John Watts "Young Tassel" who became famous in the Cherokee-American War. Look him up. He has a Wikipedia page.

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  9. He is my 8th great uncle. What sibling are you directly related to?

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  10. He is my 8th great uncle. What sibling are you directly related to?

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  11. He is my 8th Great Grandfather. His son Chief Attakullakulla was my 7th Great Grandfather. I would like to make sure that the information that I have for a woman named Aggie or Aggy "Little Owl" was his daughter. All the information that I have points to his son being her father. Here is my e-mail addresses: flower_85345@yahoo.com. or flower85345@gmail.com

    I would like to hear from anyone concerning this matter. Please send an e-mail message. I just wanted to get this straight an to find proof of this.

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  12. Hello. I was elated to find this site! My GGGG Grandfather married Little Raven Feather, daughter of White Owl Raven and Nancy Moytoy Carpenter (of the Wolf Clan?).

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    1. I’m looking for info as well. My great(7) grandfather married one of White Owl Raven daughters.

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  13. Hello my friends. My name is Justin Reeves. Anyways, nice to meet all of you guys, I think that we might be related, because I’m building my family tree on Ancestry.com and on even though I have a bunch of Cherokee blood from my mother’s side and my father’s side of my family and the more I dig deeper and deeper into my family tree, I’m finding and realizing the same similarities in locations and relationships between my my families. But it is on my father’s side that Chief Attakullakulla is also my 8th great grandfather. Another completely unexpected surprise is when I found Pocahontas and her family in my family through my father’s side... This is my family tree.

    Attakullakulla little carpenter Cherokee (1699 - 1777)
    great-uncle of wife of 6th great-grandfather
    Attakullakulla Cherokee (1680 - 1741)
    father of Attakullakulla little carpenter Cherokee
    "Prince of Chote-Tenase" Chief Attakullakulla "Litte Carpenter" (1708 - 1777)
    son of Attakullakulla Cherokee
    Joppe Stuard (1736 - 1780)
    daughter of "Prince of Chote-Tenase" Chief Attakullakulla "Litte Carpenter"
    Margaret Almond (1750 - 1802)
    daughter of Joppe Stuard
    Elisha Fly (1748 - 1795)
    husband of Margaret Almond
    Jeremiah FLY (1773 - 1846)
    son of Elisha Fly
    Asher Pipkin Fly (1804 - 1868)
    son of Jeremiah FLY
    Jeremiah W.N. Fly (1831 - 1864)
    son of Asher Pipkin Fly
    Milton A Fly (1860 - 1944)
    son of Jeremiah W.N. Fly
    Dallas Floyd Fly (1899 - 1989)
    son of Milton A Fly
    Guinever D Fly (1935 - 2001)
    daughter of Dallas Floyd Fly
    Edward Brian Sand (1957 - )
    son of Guinever D Fly
    Justin Levi Reeves
    You are the son of Edward Brian Sand

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  14. Hi. This is my family tree in relations to Pocahontas.

    Princess Matoaka "Pocahontas" Powhatan (1595 - 1617)
    6th great-aunt of wife of 6th great-grandfather
    Chief Wahunsonacock Powhatan (1545 - 1618)
    father of Princess Matoaka "Pocahontas" Powhatan
    Sheewa-a-nee Powhatan Cornstalk (1577 - 1635)
    son of Chief Wahunsonacock Powhatan
    Chief Young “Shawnee” Cornstalk (1598 - 1650)
    son of Sheewa-a-nee Powhatan Cornstalk
    Sarah S Powhatan (1576 - 1679)
    daughter of Chief Young “Shawnee” Cornstalk
    Clan (1664 - 1732)
    daughter of Sarah S Powhatan
    Oconastota (1710 - 1783)
    son of Clan
    NayO nay-Nionee Ollie - Ani wa ya "Ollie oconostota"((Shawnee/Cherokee/Creek)adopted by Cherokee Paint Clan" Attakullakulla (1720 - 1800)
    daughter of Oconastota
    Joppe Stuard (1736 - 1780)
    daughter of NayO nay-Nionee Ollie - Ani wa ya "Ollie oconostota"((Shawnee/Cherokee/Creek)adopted by Cherokee Paint Clan" Attakullakulla
    Margaret Almond (1750 - 1802)
    daughter of Joppe Stuard
    Elisha Fly (1748 - 1795)
    husband of Margaret Almond
    Jeremiah FLY (1773 - 1846)
    son of Elisha Fly
    Asher Pipkin Fly (1804 - 1868)
    son of Jeremiah FLY
    Jeremiah W.N. Fly (1831 - 1864)
    son of Asher Pipkin Fly
    Milton A Fly (1860 - 1944)
    son of Jeremiah W.N. Fly
    Dallas Floyd Fly (1899 - 1989)
    son of Milton A Fly
    Guinever D Fly (1935 - 2001)
    daughter of Dallas Floyd Fly
    Edward Brian Sand (1957 - )
    son of Guinever D Fly
    Justin Levi Reeves
    You are the son of Edward Brian Sand

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  15. Just found out Dragging Canoe was my 8th great grandfather.on my mother's side.
    Exciting info!

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  16. Dragging canoe is my 7th greatgrandfather on my fathers side.

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  17. chief White Owl Raven was my 6th great grandfather through his daughter Raven Feather... too bad this does not make me eligible for the Cherokee tribe membership.

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  18. Tame Doe Raven Moytoy Carpenter is my 6th great grandmother. I would love more info on the line.
    1716–1760
    BIRTH 1716 • Cherokee, Washington, Tennessee, USA
    DEATH 1760 • Cherokee, Washington, Tennessee, USA
    6th great-grandmother Add MyTreeTags™

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  20. White Owl is my 8th great grandfather. His daughter Raven Feather (Jeannette) married Robert Simpkins. (I believe off the top of my head). They are buried in Beekman Cemetery in Pawling, NY. They were my 7th great grandparents.

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