Friday, April 3, 2009

Chief Attakullakulla "Little Carpenter" 1708 - 1777

















Son of Anawaya Moytoy and White Owl Raven - My 7g Grand Uncle

Attacullaculla of Chota-Tenase, Principal Chief of the Cherokee, (ca. 1708–ca. 1777), also known as Little Carpenter, was a leading chief of the Cherokee Indians from 1761 to around 1775. He was known to the British as the "Prince of Chote-Tenase", or Prince of Chota, because his grandfather, Moytoy of Chota, had been the chief of the capital city, Chota-Tanasi. His name is also spelled Attakullakulla. His son was Dragging Canoe.

According to James Mooney, his Cherokee name was "Ata'-gul-kalu", which could be translated "leaning wood", from "ata" meaning "wood", and "gulkalu", a verb that implies something long and unsupported, leaning against some other object. His name "Little Carpenter" came from a maternal ancestor, Thomas Pasmere Carpenter, and Englishman of Norman descent.

Family tradition maintains that he was born on Seivers Island (near Chota) around 1708 to Nancy Moytoy (eldest daughter of Moytoy I b. 1683) and her husband Moytoy IV. Moytoy IV was an Algonquin named White Owl Raven Carpenter (also called Raven of Chota) who had been adopted by Moytoy II (Trader Tom Carpenter). He married Nionne Ollie, who was the daughter of his cousin Oconostota (the marriage was permissible because they were of different clans; he was Wolf Clan and she was Paint Clan). Among their children were Dragging Canoe and Dutsi, through whom Major Ridge and David Watie were grandchildren of Attacullaculla.

He was a member of the Cherokee delegation that traveled to England in 1730. In 1736, he rejected the advances of the French, who sent emissaries to the Overhill Cherokees. Three or four years later, he was captured by the Ottawa, allies of the French, who held him captive in Canada until 1748. Upon his return, he became one of the Cherokees' leading diplomats and an adviser to the Beloved Man of Chota.

In May 1759, following a series of attacks by settlers and Cherokees against each other, Attacullaculla joined a delegation that went to Charleston to try to negotiate with South Carolina authorities. Governor William Henry Lyttleton seized the delegates as hostages until the Cherokees responsible for killing white settlers were surrendered. Having raised an expeditionary force, Lyttleton set out for Fort Prince George with the hostages in tow and arrived with 1700 men on December 9, 1759. Though freed soon after, Attacullaculla returned to Fort Prince George to negotiate for peace, but his efforts were thwarted by the more hawkish Oconostota. The Cherokees gave up two individuals and negotiated the release of a few hostages including Oconostota, who soon after lured Lt. Richard Coytmore out of the fort, waving a bridle over his head, and incited Cherokee warriors hiding in the woods to fire upon and kill Coytmore; white soldiers inside the fort then proceeded to murder all the Cherokees inside, and hostilities continued between the Cherokees and Anglo-Americans.
He was actually a rather small man, not much over 5 feet. Most of the modern American History books contain the name of this man as having fought with the Americans in the American Revolution. His son, Dragging Canoe fought on the side of the British, the Chickamagua Cherokees.

His death is believed to have occurred either in 1775 or 1777, after which he was succeeded by his cousin, Oconostota (who was also his father-in-law). Attacullaculla did not use the European title "Emperor of the Cherokees" that his uncles had.

91 comments:

  1. Recently while researching my family tree, I discovered that Attakullakulla is my 6th gr grandfather. It is amazing what an important part he played in American History.

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    1. He was your 6th great grandfather....? Because hes my 9th great grandfather. HAha how does that work...

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    2. Attakullakulla is my 8th great grandfather. His daughter, Nikitie, later known as Hannah Rebecca, was my 7th great grandmother and married to Gabriel Arthur.

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    3. lol he is my 6th Grandfather also! :)

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    4. He is my 8th..

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  2. I need information about Dragging Canoes daughter, EWI, could she be Tilda Snow that married an Indian agents son named Squire Allen.

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    1. My family tree says Martha Tilda Snow Canoe is the daughter of Dragging Canoe and that she is married to Squire Allen. Together they had 4 daughters and 7 sons.

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  3. I found out the other day that he was even a Gr grandfather or a Gr uncle to me. Still trying to clean up the family history we have been working on it seems he was a grand father so far tho.

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  4. Note the name Atti or Atta in the Bible, perhaps in Chronicles or another book. Some Cherokee seem to have links to, maybe, the Fall of Masada or other Old Israel events connected to the Americas, and to the Fall of Carthage and other similar exoduses. Ancient Israel coins found in southeast Kentucky Cherokee graves prove the connection.

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    1. that's a thought. my research proved 8th Gfather

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    2. There is also evidence in the book of Mormon connecting the native Americans to Israel.

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    3. Huh?... Did you lose your brains in outer space? This doesn't make any since at all! I read, study and I know the whole bible and scriptures, chapters and verses, from cover to cover and absolutely nowhere in the bible does it ever mention or supports any mythological fantasies and fairytales on that. I'm a Christian and a Native American, not a Catholic or a Mormon and I know for a fact that Native Americans aren't connected to Israel in anyway, shape or form.

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  5. My Grandmother 5X wasknown by th family as Amasa Jay or Jane (Real name unknown from the trbe)she is told havebeen the daughter of Chief Attakullakulla. She married Thomas Chandler. Does anyone have any information on her.Please emil me at carolwill63@yahoo.com
    Thank You
    Carol Guess Williams

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    1. Yes, Amasa is the daughter of: Chief Attakullakulla "Little Carpenter" Onacona, Ukwaniequa Moytoy (Uku of Tanasi), and his wife, Ollie Nionee Oconostota, Ani'-Wa'Ya (Wolf) Clan. Their daughter, Amasa's Cherokee name was Ama'itseyi it means, Water of a new Green Place. She Married Thomas Chandler, a revolutionary war soldier and friend to the Cherokee. I have lots of info on the Chandler line as it is also My line. Contact me... Karlagreen710@gmail.com

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    2. Yes, Amasa is the daughter of: Chief Attakullakulla "Little Carpenter" Onacona, Ukwaniequa Moytoy (Uku of Tanasi), and his wife, Ollie Nionee Oconostota, Ani'-Wa'Ya (Wolf) Clan. Their daughter, Amasa's Cherokee name was Ama'itseyi it means, Water of a new Green Place. She Married Thomas Chandler, a revolutionary war soldier and friend to the Cherokee. I have lots of info on the Chandler line as it is also My line. Contact me... Karlagreen710@gmail.com

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    3. My name is Daniel Nesbit I live in Portsmouth, Ohio. Amasa/Ama'itseyi Water of a New Green Place is the daughter of Attakullakulla, she was married to Thomas Chandler. In the end of Revolutionary War he was sent amoug several men and his Captain to lay out the map for what is now cabell and Wayne Counties West Virginia. The he moved his family lived and died there. there daughter Mary Ann married William Jarrell, there daughter Martha married William Stephenson moved here to Scioto County Ohio with several children, there son Sydney Calvin Stephenson married Armenta Cooper there daughter Bessie Alice Stephenson was my mother's mother my grand mother.Amasa was my 5th great grand mother. Making Attakullakulla my 6th. my email is danielintheden49@yahoo.com

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  6. Carol Guess WilliamsFebruary 4, 2012 at 9:35 AM

    I am looking for information on Amassa Jane, she was from the Cherokee Tribe adn married Thomas Chandler. They married around Surry North Carolina and moved their family to Kentucky. Their deaths are listed in wayne WV. I have been told she is a daughter or grand daughter of Chief Attakullakulla but can find no proof. If anyone can help me I'd be very grateful. I can be reach at carolwill63@yahoo.com or 520-979-0587

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    1. I have information on Amassa Jane, She was a daughter of Chief Attakullakulla. I also have information on the Carpenter lineage that dates back to English Royalty and also back to the Roman Empire. This lineage will blow your mind. I will email you links to some of the information

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    2. Sorry I wasn't clear on my post above. This lineage begins with Thomas Carpenter "The Immigrant" who came over from England, adoptive father of Amatoya Moytoy. Thomas Chandler and Thomas Carpenter are both direct descendants to a line of Dutch Royalty and then dating back to the Roman Empire.

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    3. Please could you tell me where to find the info you have. I am of this family as they married into my familey 8 grandfathers ago. Email me at wolfermom@yahoo.com Thank you Barbara

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    4. hello Sheila varga I am a direct descendant of the moytoy and Thomas carpenter they are gr great fathers down the line n wanted to see if you could fill me in on this line past Thomas carpenter thanks for any info u can share my abelymandi@yahoo.com

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    5. Carol Williams I am also a descendent of Thomas Chandler and Amasa Jane Jayne through their daughter Catherine Nancy "Katie" Chandler and her son James (father unknown). Could you please contact me at jc210995@yahoo.com.

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    6. Hi I too would like info on THomas Carpenter. You said he was the adoptive father to Amatoya Moytoy. Please explain. I would love the links sent to classyrc@juno.com Thankyou Sheila!

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    7. Hi I am also a direct descendant of this line...could you please email me info that you have because I have some lines crossing in my tree and can't figure it out! Thanks christylbooth9377@gmail.com

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    8. Hi Sheila,My name is Jerry Mullins..Carpenter is also in my tree...I would love to see your info on that line..e-mail..standingwolf@yahoo.com

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    9. I would also love to have info sent to vickierose@gmail.com
      Thanks!

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  7. I too, am researching Martha Tilda Snow, daughter of Little Dragging Canoe. I need info on her lineage and if she had a son who was Moses Allen that died in Cherokee county TX. If so, then I may also be a 7th great-grandson of Chief Attakullakulla. Very interesting. If you have any information on this Allen connection please let me know at mandthairell@aol.com Thanks, Morris Hairell Jr.

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    1. I have information that lists Moses Allen as her son, however nothing that I have on Chief Dragging Canoe or Young(little?)Dragging Canoe list her as daughter of Little Dragging Canoe. There are no children listed for Young Dragging Canoe in my records. There is no mention of Little Dragging Canoe,only Young Dragging Canoe. but there is Little Owl Canoe. Little Owl mentions no children either

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  8. I too, am researching Martha Tilda Snow, daughter of Little Dragging Canoe. I need info on her lineage and if she had a son who was Moses Allen that died in Cherokee county TX. If so, then I may also be a 7th great-grandson of Chief Attakullakulla. Very interesting. If you have any information on this Allen connection please let me know at mandthairell@aol.com Thanks, Morris Hairell Jr.

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  9. Shelia, could you let me know about family info back to Rome on Thomas Carpenter. He is my 9th ggfather. Rueben Great Eagle Brock is my 6th ggfather and Aaron Redbird Brock is my 5th ggfather. I have info on Ancestry.com if you would like to read. I cannot believe that we are all cousins and related to those brave and wonderful people.
    Thank you... Susan Brock Bend Oregon

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  10. Hello, this is a fascinating blog and I am really glad I discovered it. I was wondering if anyone has information on the Brewers that married into this group of native americans.

    Here's how we fit in:
    Nione Ollie Natchez Ani wa ya Cherokee Indian Ooloosta Clan (1720 - 1800) is my husbands 5th great grandmother

    Rebecca Narcissa 'Cherokee Indian' Beaver (1746 - 1834)
    Daughter of Nione Ollie Natchez Ani wa ya

    Solomon S Brewer (1785 - 1866)
    Son of Rebecca Narcissa 'Cherokee Indian'

    Mary Ann Brewer (1822 - 1878)
    Daughter of Solomon S

    Rachel F Newman (1854 - 1928)
    Daughter of Mary Ann

    Nathaniel Thomas Martin (1891 - 1957)
    Son of Rachel F

    James Franklin Martin (1912 - 1995)
    Son of Nathaniel Thomas

    Charles Don Martin (My Husband)

    We would love to connect with anyone who has information on this branch.

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    1. Yes, I am a descendant of Sarah Jane Brewer Lott, please contact me!

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    2. I have trouble with my I phone, let's try another e mail, Mary.Lindley@icloud.com

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    3. Rebecca Narcisse Moytoy-Brewer is my 4x Great Grandmother. Married to Lanier Brewer 1768 Brunswick, VA. I have a list of 6 children all but one being born in Moore County, North Carolina. But I did not have a Solomon on my list

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    4. I am a dependent of Lanier Brewer, Jr. My research leads me to believe that he and Rebecca had a son Solomon who is in my line. I am looking for any information you can provide on Rebecca Moytoy Brewer.

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    5. I am a dependent of Lanier Brewer, Jr. My research leads me to believe that he and Rebecca had a son Solomon who is in my line. I am looking for any information you can provide on Rebecca Moytoy Brewer.

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    6. I am related to Rebecca Moytoy Brewer.........Look for people who are as well...My mothers side goes all the way back to Rebecca.......my email is bmurp98583@gmail.com

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    7. I found this today. I am a descendant of Lanier Brewer and Rebecca as well, through Solomon, then Joseph, then Thurman, then Earl, then my mother. I wish I could find more, but the more I look, the more I find discrepencies. It makes me crazy. Would love to find some pics of Lanier and Rebecca! Rebecca Narcissus Brewer (Moytoy)
      Also Known As: "Ostenaca Mankiller", "Narcissus"
      Birthdate: 1740 (94)
      Birthplace: Brunswick, Brunswick County, Virginia, United States
      Death: 1834 (94)
      Franklin, Heard County, Georgia, United States
      Immediate Family:

      Daughter of Oconastota Moytoy, First Beloved Man of the Cherokee and Oo-Loo-Sta (Polly) Ani-Wa'Di, of the Paint Clan
      Wife of Lanier John Brewer, Jr. (1746)
      Mother of Royal Brewer; Henry M Brewer; Wiley Brewer; Solomon S. Brewer, II; Cornelious Brewer and 4 others
      Sister of Shallelocke Clogoittah Conjuror; Bushyhead Ghi-Go-Ne-Li; The Terrapin Moytoy Oconostota; Son; A-Li Ani-Wa'Ya and 20 others
      Half sister of Trader Moytoy Carpenter; Jennie "Ani Ya" Taylor; Chief Tekahmih; Ollie Nionee Oconostota, Ani'-Wa'Ya (Wolf) Clan; Wollenawoa and 6 others
      Managed by: Jonathan William Engelke
      Last Updated: November 19, 2017

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  11. TO SHEILA VARGA...CHIEF ATTAKULLAKULLA"Little Carpenter" IS MY 5TH GREATGRANDFATHER AND WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE TREE FROM HIM DOWN THE LINE I HAVE AMASA JANE JAY b.1770 d,1827 m. TO THOMAS CHANDLER. IN THERE TOO. THE ONLY THING IS THAT THEY HAVE SO MANY NAMES, I'M NOT SURE I HAVE THEM CORRECT. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED GETTING THEM RIGHT AND THE REST BACK TO THE ROYALTY. I HAVE AGGIE "Little Owl" (my 4th ggrandmother, she is also the daughter of CHIEF ATTAKULLAKULLA e-mail ndcoon@hotmail.com

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    1. Hello, My name is Sheila Carre , if you get this and have time to answer ,i'd really appreaciate this!! I was told through Ancestry.com , I'm related to Aggie Ogle/Owl through my maternal Marsh line that goes to her daughter Nancy Dameron and Charles Marsh...Im eager to know more...I do know folks on my mom's side ,some had features of darker and more "native american" looking so to speak..but i read the dna for Aggie was haplogroup H which is european..but i dont know...I'm leaning toward that she was Cherokee indian...any info would so much be appreaciated!!! She would be my 5th grt grandmom. Thank you, Sheila Carre

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  12. Anyone with information on "Nikiti" (Hannah Rebecca Nikiti) and her mother Ollie Nionee. These are my multiple x's gr grandmothers. please reply to pamelladenton@yahoo.com thanks!

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  13. Hello, I have been researching my family line and I came across Gi-Yo-Sti-Ko-Yo-He, she would be my 6x's great grandmother, she married a Capt. John Watts..I have different stories and Im looking for the true story of her father..would he be Chief Attakullakulla?
    Pulling my hair out!!
    If anyone knows the correct info please let me know @ kittiekatt73@gmail.com or Kittie Tanner on Facebook

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    1. I am also related to Capt. Johns Watts, Ghi-Go-Ne-Li AttaKullaKulla is the name that appears on Ancestry.com for me. She is my 8th great grandmother on my fathers side. I am related through their daughter Bathsheba, she married William Gulledge.

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  14. I am looking for information on Aggie Owl. Her line ends with her on my tree. I've seen lots of conjecture that she is also known as Little Bird, daughter of Chief Attakullakulla. Can you tell me where I can find proof of this? Thanks!

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  15. I too am looking for proof that Aggie Owl or Ogle is the daughter of Chief Attakullakulla. could you please E-mail me at classyrc@juno.com My husband is her 8th generation grandson. Thanks

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    1. I am also related to Aggie Owl and looking for more info. There is an Agatha Owl the Cherokee roles. I am planning a trip to the Columbus library to get a look at their copy. If I find out anything I will post on here.

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  16. I am looking for information regarding a Cherokee 'princess' called Alabama. She would have been married at one time to Zachariah Tuten during the latter part of the 1700s and had a daughter Mary Polly Tuten around 1800. Can anyone help. doc_baize@hotmail.com

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  17. Looking for information about Alcy / Ollie ( Cherokee woman ) who married William Hiram Evans Sr. in 1796. She was born about 1777 in Wilkes county NC. Some sources list her last name as Watts and state that she was the daughter of John Watts Jr. ( Young Tassel ). She is my 5G grandmother and would be grateful for any help.

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    1. William Hiram Evans Sr
      1770–1840
      Nancy Elizabeth Evans 1802–1884
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      Aley Evans (Watts)
      Also Known As: "Alcy", "Allie", "Alcey", "Susan", "Alley", "Ollie"
      Birthdate: circa 1777
      Birthplace: Brunswick County, North Carolina, United States
      Death: Died 1860 in Alleghany County, North Carolina, United States
      Place of Burial: Ashe County, North Carolina, United States
      Immediate Family:
      Daughter of John "Young Tassel" Watts and Kay-I-Oh
      Wife of William Evans
      Mother of Elizabeth "Betsey" (Evans) Hill
      Sister of John Joseph Watts; Jeremiah Watts; Thomas Watts; Margaret Watts and Nancy Watts
      Half sister of Eli Watts; Two Wood Double Tree Watts; Peach Eater Watts; Elizabeth Couch; Councilor John Watts; Thomas 'Tom' Watts; Mink Watts; John (Captain) Watts; Soup Chulusatah Watts; Fish Tail Fork Tail Watts; Rachel Watts; John Watts, Jr.; Mary Polly Watts and Unknown Watts «

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  18. Hello my name is Michelle Dudley and my 5 times Great Grandmother was Aggie or Aggy Little Owl I am wanting to know if she is or isn't the daughter of Chief Attakullakulla. Please send a message when you can. Here is my e-mail address: flower_85345@yahoo.com

    She was married to Moses Dameron. I just want to know please send me a message thank you.

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  19. Hello my name is Dana, I'm in search of any info on Feriby Benton she was my 5th great grandmother she had said she was the granddaughter of Looney and cousin to Doublehead, Tahlonteeskee and Blackfox. Her grandfather is said to be a Looney. Census records state she died in 1850 @ 105 yrs so it would make her born 1745 I doubt that is correct because my 4th great grandmother Louisa "Lucy" Vaughan was born in 1795 in Tennessee. Please and thank u any info or thoughts would be appreciated tsalagirose@aol.com

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  20. Hello my name is Dana, I'm in search of any info on Feriby Benton she was my 5th great grandmother she had said she was the granddaughter of Looney and cousin to Doublehead, Tahlonteeskee and Blackfox. Her grandfather is said to be a Looney. Census records state she died in 1850 @ 105 yrs so it would make her born 1745 I doubt that is correct because my 4th great grandmother Louisa "Lucy" Vaughan was born in 1795 in Tennessee. Please and thank u any info or thoughts would be appreciated tsalagirose@aol.com

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  21. Aggie Owl is my 5 times Great Grandmother and I would like any information about her to prove that she was Chief Attakullakulla's daughter. Please send any information that you might have to me at flower_85345@yahoo.com. or to flower85345@gmail.com Please and thank you for the information about her. I really do appreciate hearing from anyone about this matter.

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  22. Shelia Varga- I too, am a great granddaughter of Attakullakulla, "Little Carpenter" Onacona, Ukwaniequa Moytoy (Uku of Tanasi), and his wife, Ollie Nionee Oconostota, Ani'-Wa'Ya (Wolf) Clan. Their daughter, Ama'itseyi ( Amasa Jay/Jane, ) Water of a new Green Place, Married Thomas Chandler, a revolutionary war soldier. I would love to share any info I have for any info you have of Attakullakulla's ancestors and the Carpenter Family. Thank you so much, Karla Grant Green karlagreen710@gmail.com

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  23. Hello I am Chickamauga Cherokee I'm trying to connect Aris Brown a
    gg-grandfather and Chief John Brown to Dragging Canoe my cousan I know his English name is Andrew Brown does anyone have any information ON HIS English name Brown and who in the Brown family is he in line with we have done our DNA we know our group 10 R1b1a from Asia

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  24. Hello I am Chickamauga Cherokee I'm trying to connect Aris Brown a
    gg-grandfather and Chief John Brown to Dragging Canoe my cousan I know his English name is Andrew Brown does anyone have any information ON HIS English name Brown and who in the Brown family is he in line with we have done our DNA we know our group 10 R1b1a from Asia

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    1. Dragging Canoe didn't have R1b1a markers. His markers were entirely Central American, from the Mayan Snake Kings of Guatemala. That's why he was called The Dragon. His mother's father was Obalalkabiche (Feathered Serpent of the Natchez). The Chickamauga no longer exist. Women weren't Chickamaugas anyway. It was a warrior confederacy during the American Revolution and after it was dissolved the members all returned to their separate tribes.

      People really need to stop lying. There is zero evidence of Dragging Canoe having an English name such as Andrew or Andre Brown. Really irritates me that I have to go through all this misinformation and address it. Hopefully some of you spread the truth as well as you spread lies.

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  25. I too am looking for a link to Aggie "Little Owl" Onacona. She would be my 6th Great Grandmother. She was the mother of Nancy Ann Damron who follows to my Richards family line.

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  26. Looking for the Wife and or Mother of War Chief Robert Benge. He may have been married or had a child with the Sister of Dragging Canoe. Childs name would have been Nancy Agnes Benge. This is where we are stumped right now. I've also found information that Sister of Dragging Canoe could have been the mother of War Chief Robert Benge. Any clarification is appreciated with documentation would be wonderful.

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  27. Chief Benge was about 1/4 Indian, Cherokee, but was of the tribe. He fought in the Battle of Kings Mountain, Carolina, in the U.S. Revolution with Chiefs Doublehead and Arun (Aaron) Redbird Brock (Chief Redbird) and other Cherokee and Catawba linked units on the Patriot side. He and the other top chiefs had links at times to old Clay County, KY, Harlan County, KY, Perry County and Stearns, KY areas now near Buckhorn Lake. Doublehead Creek is in Clay County. Dragging Canoe also had Kentucky links at times. Benge's so-called "red hair" may have been dyed red as part of Redbird Band of Cherokee! redbirdband.bravehost.com 1/19/17

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    1. So great to have your input and wisdom here Martin Redbird. I Appreciate your stopping by immensely.

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  28. HI, Attakullakulla is my mothers 7th and 9th great grandfather. We descend from 2 of his sons. Dragging Canoe and Great Eagle Corn Tassel If anyone knows of these lines please contact vicious_h3art@yahoo.com

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  29. My family are descendants of Chief Dragging Canoe and Chief Attakullakulla. I am trying to verify their hearing section through the Cherokee Nation but I am unable to find their names on any official rolls. Can anyone help me please? My name is Michele Jeffers and my email address is hockeymom1965@yahoo.com

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  30. I have 2 great great grandmothers. Susan Chandler and Laura Chandler who are Amasa Chandlers great great Grand daughters. I guess I am double related because back then cousins married cousins in some areas without a second thought..(Ewww)

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  31. Hey all!
    I’m looking for information on Rachel Sallie watts1825-1880. I was told she is the daughter of Joseph Watts 1805-1871 mother unknown to me. Joseph father is John Kunokeski “Young Tassel”, mother unknown to me.
    I could sure use some help if anyone has any information!

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  32. Hello, my name is Kim and researching back my father's side which is Roberts.Thru this line I've found Aggie Little Owl b 1737 d 1787 is my 6th great grandmother. I was shocked to find this. I show her married to Moses Dameron which came eventually honour Roberts surname. Is Chief Moytoy Aggies father and how I can find more info out about this lineage. Can anyone here help me? Buckeyekimmy@gmail.com

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  33. My name is Daniel Nesbit, Portsmouth, Ohio. Ama'itseyi (Water of a New Green Place)/Amasa Jane Chandler Married Thomas Chandler. Her Father Was born a Nipissing indian captured at an infant,raised as a Cherokee has a lot of history was 1 of 7 Cherokee me that was invited by the king of England to come and visted he was of the Wolf Chan and Chief Thomas was in the Revolution War and in the end was sent was seneral men and Captain to lay out the map for what is now Cabell and Wayne Counties West Virginia were the moved to lived and died there. Thomas and Ama'itseyi were my 5th great grand parentd there daughter Mary Ann Married William F. Jerrall there daughter was Martha Married Married William Stephenson There son was Sydney Calvin Stephenson Married Armenta Cooper There daughter was My Mother's Mom Bessie Alice Stephenson my grand mother. e-mail danielintheden49@yahoo.com

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    1. Her name was Amasvyi Conseen. She was born in 1782 (Attakullakulla was dead when she was born). Her father was Cheucunsene (Dragging Canoe), not Attakullakulla. In 1798 she married at age 16 and became Amasa Chandler.

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  34. Looking for any information for Aggie Little Owl and her husband Moses Damron? If there is any information about or around them I would appreciate any help to sort out my tree. jamie@microrolloff.com Thanks

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  35. Hello, my name is Justin Reeves and this is my direct family line from Attakullakulla, Leader and Chief of the Chickamauga Eastern Band Cherokee (Wolf clan).
    Celia or Celah Chickamauga Cherokee Fry (1732 - 1775)
    wife of 6th great-grandfather
    Elisha Fly (1748 - 1795)
    husband of Celia or Celah Chickamauga Cherokee Fry
    Jeremiah FLY (1773 - 1846)
    son of Elisha Fly
    Asher Pipkin Fly (1804 - 1868)
    son of Jeremiah FLY
    Jeremiah W.N. Fly (1831 - 1864)
    son of Asher Pipkin Fly
    Milton A Fly (1860 - 1944)
    son of Jeremiah W.N. Fly
    Dallas Floyd Fly (1899 - 1989)
    son of Milton A Fly
    Guinevere DE Fly (1935 - 2001)
    daughter of Dallas Floyd Fly
    Edward Brrian Sand (1957 - )
    son of Guinevere DE Fly
    Justin Levi Reeves
    You are the son of Edward Brian Sand.

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    1. Culture vulture. Attakullakulla was a traitor who sold our lands at the Treaty of Sycamore Shoals and was executed for it in 1777 by Dragging Canoe who cut his head off. That's your claim to a Cherokee identity? A traitor whose name among real Cherokee is the equivalent of a Judas? He wasn't Eastern Band Cherokee (there was no Eastern Band then, genius), he wasn't from the Aniwaya (Wolf Clan), and calling him any of those things would get you worked over by a real Kituwa. ᎤᎾᎦ

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    2. The fact that you called Attakullakulla "Chief of the Chickamauga" shows just how full of it you actually are. Cheucunsene (Dragging Canoe) defected from the Cherokee because of Attakullakulla's willingness to sell all of Kentucky to Virginia Bankers associated with the Transylvania Land Company. Dragging Canoe had to form the Chickamauga in order to resist what Attakullakulla was signing off on. Either you're a blatant liar or you're mentally retarded. Which is it?

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  36. If you folks insist on claiming Native ancestry and intend on stealing our ancestors after taking the lands and everything else from us . . . at least commit yourself to learning the truth. And stop copy-pasting nonsense all over the internet. It's extremely disrespectful and really annoying for those of us who actually are what you claim to be and yet know absolutely nothing about.

    Amasvyi Conseen (Amasa Chandler) was born in 1782 in the village of Chilhowee. Her mother was a daughter of Uku'a Chilhowee (Old Abram). Her father was Cheucunsene (Dragging Canoe). Two of her brothers were Cheusdi Conseen (Little Dragging Canoe) and Chuleo Conseen (Young Dragging Canoe). Amasvyi Conseen married Thomas Chandler in 1798 and became Amasa Chandler. She was 16 at the time and he was in his 30s. Thomas Chandler was the father of all of her children except the youngest named Henry Chandler. Henry was the son of Tecumseh. Tecumseh was the adopted son and protege of Dragging Canoe and Dragging Canoe's daughter intentionally had a son with Tecumseh because of that connection. So anybody who actually is descended from Henry Chandler is of Shawnee, Natchez, and Cherokee background. They don't come from the Chandlers.

    That painting at the top can be found via the link below. It has nothing to do with Cherokee and whoever wrote those names on it is a shameless liar. The meeting painted is at the Smithsonian and features the Trustees of Georgia meeting with Delegates of the Creek Nation in 1734. You can see it here.

    http://www.nmai.si.edu/nk360/removal-muscogee/before.html#

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  37. And despite what y'all read in books, on wikipedia, and see in museum exhibits from the Qualla folks, Attakullakulla was NOT the father of Cheucunsene. Cheucunsene was born in the Natchez refugee village of Falacheco among the Chickasaw in 1732. His father was a Chickasaw warrior. His mother was W'natchi (Natchez) and from a village on the site of the modern day Emerald Mound in Stanton, Mississippi. In 1740 the British allies of both Chickasaw and Cherokee relocated the Natchez away from the French to the Overhill region because the French were waging a war of annihilation on the Natchez ever since the Natchez massacred Fort Rosalie in 1729 (a French fort north of New Orleans). Aganatsistau (Oconostota) adopted Ollie and her son into the Aniwaya and she established Natchiyi (Natchez Place) among the Cherokee. Attakullakulla was able to marry Ollie because they were from different Clans. If they were both Wolf Clan they wouldn't have married. That was considered incest because the Clan is your true family if you're a real Kituwa.

    What's it gonna take for people who aren't qualified to write on things to shut their mouth and stop making stuff up about us? There are zero sources on this page for all of your nonsense. Not one of the 9 volumes of Moravian journals, not Cherokee by Blood, not the Spanish, French, English, or American colonial documents, war department papers, or private letters between the numerous Sephardic Jewish merchants. Nothing. Do any of you people actually read or do you just find the name of a random Indian who lived during a certain period of time and slap a whole buncha crap onto them? Centuries of liars. From James Adair to Ward Churchill, one after another, making up all sorts of nonsense about our people. We can't even tell our true history because we have to waste all our energy counteracting the endless stream of fiction from you people. Will you never stop? Can we never get our lives back?

    And y'all think if you have one g-g-g-g-g-g-g great grandmother who was Cherokee that makes you Cherokee? Have you not done the math? An 8x great grandmother means 10 generations. Do you know how many people lived between you and Cheucunsene? 1,024. That means you're 1,024th Cherokee. Think about how ridiculous that sounds. Learn about your other ancestors. Trace back those people and stop trying to find some way that you can actually feel like a real American. It's pathetic. You have real ancestors from all over the world who lives just as interesting lives. Being Native won't make you a different person. You're the same exact person you are without your "proof" that one ancestor was Indian 200 years ago. At the end of the day our true name for ourselves was the Aniyvwiya. Yvwi meant Human, Ya was a suffix for a natural law or way, and Ani meant People. So basically we were the "people of the human law", the "principle people", the "human beings". Be a human being. Learn about your Celtic, Pictish, Germanic, Nordic, Slavic, Norman, or whatever ancestors. Connect with something that is more authentic to you as an individual human being. This sick obsession with trying to become what your people tried to destroy is appalling. We survived your ancestors and we will survive you too. But when you mistake Amasvyi's father Cheucunsene for Attakullakulla, and have no clue how extraordinarily different those two men were as human beings, it's obvious that you are not now and never will be a Cherokee. Find yourselves somewhere else.

    Attakullakulla didn't raise Cheucunsene. He wasn't a warrior. Oconostota and other male members of the Wolf Clan raised Cheucunsene.

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  38. This message is for Anonymous who has posted above and has been chastising those who have written on these pages asking for help in trying to discover their families past. How indignant you are in your attitude. Instead of lashing out, why do you not, in a gentle manner, explain our history to the masses. If you have answers to all of these questions, do you not feel it is your responsibility to share this stored information in an attempt to set the record straight. Your tone and comments do nothing to help people to understand our people; it is an alienating attitude and does everything but glamorize the Indian People. According to our culture, you do not have to have 1/4 or more Indian blood to be called a member of the tribe and you are aware of this, so why would you respond to these people in such a rude manner? These people are merely trying to see where "our" people fit into their past. I am confident they have researched other parts of their families just as you have; all of us who are interested in genealogy and documenting our past for our future family members have done so. You have taken a wonderful opportunity to enlighten people who are asking for your assistance but instead you attacked and responded with ugly and unnecessary posts. Do you truly believe anything you have said in your ranting posts has done anything to enlighten the ones who are asking questions? Honestly? How sad that you are so angry with yourself and your life that you have lashed out at people who are obviously asking for your help. You were given an opportunity to educate and instead you attacked. Very unnecessary and very unfair. You should feel shame for what you have said and the words you have used. If you will recall our history, all of us have some Caucasian forefathers which means white man blood flows through your veins also and you will, undoubtedly, be on many of these individuals family trees. What I am saying is, you are related to many of the very people you are attacking, including me. Take the time to offer assistance and understanding instead of destroying it.

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  39. Also to the brave online warrior "Anonymous" - you're telling all of these "white people" to stop trying to become what their people tried to destroy so they should go research Celtic, Pictish, etc.? The vast majority of us Americans who have had ancestors here since the 1600's have ancestors on every side of every war. I have ancestors who fought to kick other ancestors off of the land on both sides of the Atlantic. Most people doing genealogy are in it for the stories. They want to know the people who came before them, what made them move, etc. Do you honestly believe that the people asking questions here are Obsessed with this one possible ancestor? I am back in the 1600's on many family lines. I follow one line until I reach a wall and get too frustrated, then go to another line which usually takes me to another part of the globe. Genealogy junkies have to follow every possible lead and ask questions where ever they are given the opportunity. I don't blow off family stories because I find conflicting information immediately. I attempt to sort out the information. What a pathetic attitude you have toward people trying to learn their families' stories!

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  40. Well I just want the truth, good bad or ugly, I’m going by other family members research, it is very frustrating, & ppl making things up as they go is WRONG!peace & honestly will help us all!

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  41. Courtina and April, miss me with that nonsense. White people aren't trying to learn about the real people. If they were they would actually seek out people like me willing to correct them and set their white behind straight. White people always wanna be handled with kiddie gloves. Egos are so frail and fragile. Even while abusing other people if those people react white people will recoil and play victim. People are trying to steal the ancestors of real living Cherokee. Making up whatever they want. Most of you are here because you read online about coming from the Moytoy family, right? Yeah. A fake Jew pretending to be a Cherokee named Donald Yates running a fake Cherokee tribe is responsible for you thinking you're Cherokee. There are only three real Cherokee tribes: CN, UKB, and EBCI. There are literally hundreds of fake Cherokee tribes around the country. Many of them incorporating New Age hippy nonsense and finding various ways to profit off of our culture from porn stars to major Hollywood actors, college professors to politicians. A Jeep is named after us. America's first motorcycle was named after us. Our people are used as mascots all across our lands in schools and professional sports teams. Let's get something straight. I don't owe you a gd thing. And if these were the old days I woulda just took several scalps and been done with it.

    After taking our lands and waging a war on us culturally now you wanna claim our ancestors also? No. You can't claim our ancestors because they aren't your ancestors. Your people are notorious liars. White Americans are the some of the most ignorant, selfish and evil human beings from human history. Some of us aren't running around claiming that we're "part" Cherokee. That's because some of us are Cherokee and know what it actually means. It doesn't mean "one drop" of Cherokee blood. That's unaka nonsense. Real Cherokee are born into a real matrilineal Clan. Our mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, and her mother before her were all Cherokee. All the way back. Some of us don't sing Christian songs in Cherokee to appease naive white tourists so they'll spend money in the casino because some of us are Wolves. Real Waya, not these corny plastic shaman unakas or their apples (red on the outside but white on the inside) always willing to please them like that traitor Attakullakulla was. Everybody wants to be an Indian . . . until they meet a real Indian. This ain't Pocahontas, lady. This is the real world. And some of are mighty sick of this sorta stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuluaqui-Quodoushka

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  42. Having a Cherokee ancestor is fascinating . . . when you're not Cherokee. It's a little sense of novelty. Something to talk with the other unakas about. It's an excuse to hang a dreamcatcher in your car mirror or to buy that really pretty prayer fan you saw while driving through New Mexico. Or maybe you just want a tattoo of a half naked woman in a headdress with a wolf and Cherokee is the go-to tribe to claim when the artist asks why you want that. I don't know if you realize it but other Indians are actually surprised that real Cherokee exist. When Wes Studi spoke in Tsalagi at the last Oscars Natives around the country flipped. White people have so thoroughly jacked our name that other Indians don't even know we're here. To white people ancestors are names to be collected in a scrapbook and chatted about over tea or lemonade or whatever y'all drink. You have no idea how difficult it is to not wanna hate you but then have to interact with you daily. Many white people never met a real Indian but every Indian knows many white people. Ever think what that is like?

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  43. After sitting on my thoughts for a few days I want to point out that I understand some of you have good intentions. Others are compulsive liars and culture vultures, but some of you may actually mean well. You're not entirely to blame. You were all born in a Retro-Reality where archiving names is not just a hobby but American culture itself. And this is only getting worse with the development of the internet where past, present, and future are all being mixed together in this bizarre alternate virtual simulated space. You can go watch Jimi Hendrix live even if he died before you were born and then skip over to a live performance of Paolo Nutini singing Iron Sky live on the other side of the world and have the illusion that these two individuals exist simultaneously. Youtube is collecting and archiving everything, white people built museums (cultural mausoleums) all over the world, dug up the ancestors of non-white people, and put our reality on display for profit - declaring us entombed in your savage cemeteries. What remains now is only our ancestors who live on through us in our DNA and our religion passed down to us from them. You're misappropriating the former and making up whatever you want about them because you can't take the latter from us. You have no way of accessing our ancestors spiritually because your true tribal roots have been so deeply suppressed in you since the times of the Ancient Greeks and Romans when they were invading and conquering your ancestors culturally and calling you Barbarians and Pagans. You now worship false gods, foreign to your ancestors, and have forgotten the languages that they spoke so you can't speak to them. You can't speak to ours either and so you're lost. Archiving names, dates, events, and genealogies won't get you any closer to filling that hole within you. Only one thing can fill that hole. And nobody can tell you what it is.

    You see, all the damage that white people have done to the rest of the world as colonizers, and continue to do without even realizing you're doing it, is a form of cultural molestation. You molest others because you yourselves were molested. It's a sick pattern. The Greeks did it to the people around them. The Romans did it to the people around them. Then the Roman Empire inserted itself into the Holy Roman Church with Emperor Constantine and spread the virus all over Europe, infecting the Slavs, Vikings, Picts, Celts, and others with the dis-ease. Those Christian kingdoms then, carrying the dis-ease, became colonizers all over the world. You carry a mental virus and the only cure for it is truth. But the truth is a hard pill to swallow.

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    1. Well, you were doing really good until you diagnosed "whites" with repetition compulsion, and turned history into a family of man wardrobe malfunction. It can't make you happy. Yeah, I admit making genograms seems like a family therapist fix it tool; but how would you like a child to say, "Man, I din't even know my middle name until you told me?" Well, I've heard that. There's a small child in each of us, some of them stuck in a phase, "It's mine and you can't have it!" Ask the web-master of any southern "historical society" and they will say, no you couldn't possibly have had a (Cherokee) ancestor who represented The House of Commons in 1805. I'm not Cherokee and even I want to slap them; like you said, just give me the truth! I'ts in the DNA.
      Why did my white father take us kids on "hunts" all over the state, collecting flora and fauna, exploring the river, forests, and bogs, only allowed to collect every third one; no one told him that. Why was my first instinct to dig mud from a crawdad tunnel and make "pottery" for my English tea set? Why did I make Mayan heads when I had never seen one, causing my instructor to say, "A different kind of mind made this."
      People have always made up myths, for various reasons good and bad. Today they are called Fandoms. What a nuisance. Just think of them as phantoms. You know what I mean. I don't study Cherokee, but they have come to me and told me about how white medicine can kill a native baby with jaundice. No surprise there, they can kill a white baby just as well. Or a white adult for that matter! But I don't go around yelling at them; I make them want to ask me. Then I tell them. I don't say, hey Doc, that's a stupid question; I'm tired of your stupid medicine; get a degree in something else. No, I don't! I agree, all remains of ancient people should be kept in Warehouse 13, no one allowed to know their secret powers! They didn't sign a donation card, so, hey let's make science so ugly they won't discover any more cures to anything, or bring an ancestor back to life who was promised it would happen, and is waiting for it to happen. It will! Not in my lifetime but it will. If you don't know that then you are not listening, nor seeing and nothing will take the scales from your eyes, no matter what your ethnicity.
      Embrace what you have, pay it forward, do it for the children!

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    2. What does one do with a bratty child who was raised to do and say whatever they want to whoever they want, whenever they want and however they want? There is only one thing to do. Spank them. Until they can't stand. That way they learn that some of us won't tolerate it. Then let them cry it out and ignore their tears. When it passes help them up, dust them off, and sternly let them know that next time it will be worse and that it will get worse each time until they learn that they will be expected to behave like a human being and not a savage. No other group of people on earth have behaved like white people all over the planet. That is going to stop. And if it doesn't then white people are going to have problems because the rest of the world is fed up now.

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    If you have to study the Cherokee to learn about the Cherokee it's because you're not Cherokee. Real cultures are lived from the moment you're born until the moment you die. They're not a hobby. You can't be one foot in a culture. You're either in it or you're not, immersed fully or just playing a part. A Cherokee without a real Cherokee community is just an American who may or may not have Indian ancestors (because not all real Cherokee were Indians - some were black and others were white, but they lived as Cherokee . . . they spoke Cherokee, their religion was Cherokee, their whole reality was shaped through their Cherokee mind's eye). What "white" people don't realize is that they invented the "white" way of thinking. They invented their "white" identity. It was always dependent upon not being Indian or Black. So there is a "white" way of thinking. It is capitalism, individualism, the selfish trinity of Father Me, Mother Me, and Child Me - all three of Me in I.

    You can't be educated to the truth because it would require a lifetime of unlearning the lies before you could even begin to rebuild. And in the process some unaka would come along and misappropriate whatever was said, twist it up, package it, market it, and sell it. Just as they did Christianity. Jesus' real name was Joshua (Yeshua). Didn't even keep his name right.

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    1. I'm curious as to the source data of Henry Chandler. I have definitive proof that I am descended from him, yet my Ancestry DNA does not list any native American lineage. Can you give me references to Amasa being the mother of Henry? I have been trying to piece this part of my family tree together for many years. Thanks!

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    2. Your name is Jeff Castle, so I'm assuming you're a male and your father was also named Castle. That means you don't come from a direct male line back to Henry Chandler. Your Y Chromosome (the male chromosome from your paternal line) is from the Castle surname, whatever they were. As a male that only leaves you with your X maternal line and there is no way that your X chromosome goes back to Henry Chandler and his mother Amasvyi Conseen-Chandler. Your DNA would show a connection to Henry Chandler if, and only if, you are a Chandler directly descended from him. And the Chandler male line isn't Native.

      With that aside, it is a myth that the Cherokee were ever a homogeneous racial group. Sequoyah's English name was George Gist because his father was Nathaniel Gist. His grandfather was Christopher Gist, mentor to President George Washington. Sequoyah's name wasn't even Cherokee. It was Sephardic (Spanish Jewish) because his mother's name was Verde Sequeyra, daughter of Dr. John Sequeyra (personal doctor to President George Washington's step-daughter). Both Christopher Gist and Dr. John Sequeyra (his grandfathers) were Jewish on his father and mother's side. There is zero evidence anywhere in existence to support that Sequoyah was "Native American". His mother's mother may have been Cherokee by clan but with adoption of war captives and adoption of people who were considered good friends into various clans even if she was it wouldn't tell you anything at all about her genetic markers.

      Cherokee identity is rooted in the Cherokee community, language, culture, religion and traditions (kept very tight in certain circles). It isn't rooted in federal recognition, treaty signatures, or some imaginary blood quantum nonsense as many seem to think. Not with the Kituwa, anyway.

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    3. Apologies, I forgot to answer your question.

      Thomas Chandler filed for his Revolutionary War pension in 1827 at a Virginia Court (now West Virginia). At that time he was remarried to an older white woman who was about his age. I believe he was 64 or 65 in 1827 (going by memory on this and it's not really of interest to me so I might be mistaken). The woman he was married to in 1827 wasn't Amasvyi (Amasa). Amasvyi was dead. The woman he was married to was way too old to be Henry Chandler's mother if she was born in 1763-64. Henry was born in 1815. That would mean the woman married to Thomas Chandler in 1827 was about 50 when he was born.

      Amasvyi Conseen (Amasa Chandler) was born in 1782 at Chilhowee. Amasa's mother was a daughter of the Cherokee chief Old Abram. Amasa's father was Cheucunsene (Dragging Canoe). Her brothers were Cheusdi Conseen (Little Dragging Canoe) and Chuleo Conseen (Young Dragging Canoe). Her father's brother was known as Chuleo Shoeboots. Cheucunsene's mother was was Natchez woman called Ollie Nionee by the Cherokee. Her father was Obalalkabiche, the Natchez "Plumed Serpent". His mother was the Natchez high priestess named "Tattooed Arm" because she had a full sleeve tattoo of a feathered serpent. Attakullakulla was married to Ollie, the mother of Dragging Canoe, which is why a lot of people seem to think Cheucunsene was his son. He wasn't his son. He was just Dragging Canoe's mother's husband. That relationship meant nothing to him as he was raised by Oconostota. Most of the things being taught as "Cherokee history" are taken from fictions written between 1850-1950. It is commonly even taught Dragging Canoe died in 1792. Is pure nonsense. He met with President Madison in Washington D.C. in 1816 after helping Andrew Jackson defeat the Red Sticks (Northern Creeks). His name even appears last on the Treaty of Washington 1816 as Cheucunsene (Canoe Dragger). Right after the young John Watts. He was 84 at the time. Every book talking about Dragging Canoe says he died in 1792. Dead men don't meet with Presidents and sign Treaties. Lot of covering up with our history by the Moravian Missionaries went down during the 1820s and 1830s. Intentionally.

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      I stated that he signed after John Watts. It was actually the young John Ross. John Watts was another protege of his who took over leadership of the Chickamauga in 1792 when Dragging Canoe stepped aside at age 60. His name appears here, right after John Ross. It's written as Cheucunsene. Dragging Canoe actually lived in Southeastern Kentucky among white people as an old man after signing this treaty. They had no clue. He's buried in southeast Kentucky. Right next to Amasa. Two traditional stone piles side by side on private land. Is near Indian Grave Kentucky, not too far from Cherokee Creek Rd.

      https://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/topics/history/article/antebellum-era-1801-1860/treaty-of-washington

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    5. I'm looking for accurate information on the mother of Malachi Watts (born around 1751). I believe Malachi is the brother of the John Watts mentioned above. Any information on their mother and her parents would be greatly appreciated.

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