Wednesday, April 1, 2009
Nancy Moytoy of the Wolf Clan (born ca. 1683)
Daughter of Amatoy Moytoy 1683 - 1741 My 8g GrandmotherNancy Moytoy of the Wolf Clan (born ca. 1683) was a member of the Cherokee/Shawnee Moytoy-Carpenter dynasty. She was the eldest daughter of the Cherokee chief Moytoy I of Chota and the mother of Attacullaculla. She was the wife of Moytoy III (Savannah Tom Carpenter), who was Attacullaculla's father, and later to his adopted brother Moytoy IV (Raven of Chota Carpenter). Her mother was Quatsy of Tellico, of the Wolf Clan.
Nancy Moytoy was the daughter of Chief Amatoya Moytoy I, she married White Owl Raven who was a captive Algonquin,and who was adopted into the clan, and raised by another Cherokee Woman named Nancy.
Children of Nancy Moytoy and White Owl Raven:
1. Chief Attakullakulla-born 1708 in Seivers Island,Tn and died May 1777,In Natchestown, NC which is now Tennessee.
2. Killaneca the Buck-born 1712,Tellico,TN- 1761, Cherokee, TN
3. Killaque Raven- born 1714-Tellico,TN- died 1757-TN
4. Tame Doe Raven, born 1716,Cherokee Nation,TN died 1760,Cherokee, TN
5. Betsy Owl Raven, born 1730,Cherokee Nation,TN died May 1777, Alabama
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Note that Cherokee Chief Dragging Canoe is also listed as a son of Chief Attakullakulla. Attakullakulla apparently signed the Treaty of Sycamore Shoals, ceding parts of Cannatuckahoe (Kentucky) to the Colonials, or early United States. His son, Dragging Canoe, also known as The Canoe, left the Sycamore Treaty Grounds, refused to sign, and went on the warpath from Kentucky for years.
ReplyDeleteI belong to this lineage and was wondering if maybe I could have someone contact me I have some questions my email address is joshybearsbaby@yahoo.com or my facebook is Kathy Pippen Turner any help would be appreciated
ReplyDeleteI love studying my ancestry thru Moytoy and SuGhi and I find more info all the time. I was thrilled to find Moytoys parents and grandparents.I was also suprised to find out that they were Euros. The Native bloodline finds its way back in thru some Cherokee and Shawnee spouses. Its a great history, there are a lot of different takes on it but Im just proud to be who and what I am always.Its so exciting to make new discoveries . I love to think we are breathing air they all breathed and their blood pulses like fire thru our veins.I pray that our heritage, our culture and languages never die. I am from the line of Elizabeth McDaniel and James Thomas Essary.
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Deleteplease contact me! im not sure how but we are family! i would LOVE to share my findings with you! @rachelmariefraser@gmail.com (Rachel Fraser White
DeleteI am also a descendant of Chief Amatoya Moytoy through Nancy Moytoy to Chief Attakullakulla/N Ollie to The Badger to Nancy Oocumma to Rebecca Na'Ha Morris (KaHaDiHi) ALSO From N Ollie parents, Oconostota/OO-LOO-STA
DeleteI would love to connect with family!
One version of Moytoy, Maytoy, Maytoya, Maytog, Maytag, etc, is the Cherokee spelling: Mo'Doi or similar spellings. This confirms traditional Cherokee stories and the fact of the Cherokee Maytoy line is provable up until this very day, including the Doublehead and other lines related to Maytoy like Aaron Redbird Brock. Europeans married into the line, but are not the the origin of the line. The same is true for various links to the Cherokee Emperor(s)lines connected to the Cherokee Uku and Uchi (Yuchi) and Natchez(Natchers) and Indian American Sun Emperor lines with ties to somewhat like the Aztec related to the Toltec (Tali)and Taki (Tackett)Cherokee lines. Indians are the origin of the lines.
ReplyDeleteI discovered that I am 8 generations down from Chief Red Bird Aaron "Totsu'wha Tsalagi` Ugvwiyuhi" Brock! Through Jesse James Hungry Fox Gayashihatsula Brock. How interesting! I have been glued to this tree since I looked it up yesterday!
DeleteAxchuse my anglish in the above posting, the point is that the Cherokee Indian, and Native American Cherokee and various relatives from full blood to major and minor bloods, are very real then and now, including Doublehead (Doublhead and Head and other spelllings)family lines linked to the Maytoy (Mo'Doi)lines.
ReplyDeletePrincess Cornblossom Moyttoy Doublehead is my Great Grandmothers, Grandfathers Great Grandmother! Pawalin Cornblossom! she had children with George Jacob (Big Jake Troxel)
Deleteany additional information would be fantastic! Rachelmariefraser@gmail.com - Facebook / Rachel Fraser White ( Fort Campbell Kentucky
Delete"Anonymous" - small world. I'm from the line of Elizabeth McDaniel and James Thomas Essary also. My last name, as a matter of fact, is Essary. I like you am fascinated by the blood that runs in our veins and hope to honor those that went before us by my words and actions.
ReplyDeletei am the great gransdson of minnie essary 1879 , found out she is a direct descendant of ama do ya moytoy , my grand mother was mary dedie franks ,but her mother was minnie essary
DeleteI am descended from Elizabeth Quatsy McDaniel too...would be fun to get a group of us together online somewhere to share and compare our lines there. :)
DeleteI just found out Quatsey Susan Rainmaker Moytoy is my 9th great grandmother. I'm so intrigued by this part of the family, would love to see what others have discovered:)
DeleteI also just discovered that Nancy Moytoy of the Wolf Clan was my 10th great-grandmother. So exciting (and a bit overwhelming!) So much to learn!~
DeleteElizabeth Quatsy McDaniel is my third cousin.
DeleteElizabeth Quatsy McDaniel is my third cousin.
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DeleteO si yo I hear your words and admire your work.
ReplyDeleteChief Night Wolf Relative if your words are correct. Wolf Clan Cherokee, upper Cumberlands Tn.WBCI.ORG THE WOODLAND BAND OF CHEROKEE INDIANS
Can someone please tell me who was Wut-teh (Sally)parents?
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DeleteI need clarification on the birth and death dates of Betsy.
ReplyDeleteDo you have info on Phoebe who married Hardy Crews? She was the mother of Ann Crews. raynichols66@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteSorry, Ray, I Don't.
ReplyDeleteLooking for Nancy Brock b about 1777 married to John Sears in Knox County Tenn. 1779. Surety was signed by George Brock. I can find no other traces of either of them. She could be a sister to George from the George Brock brother to Red Bird? any information to trace her parents would be appreciated.
ReplyDeleteContact me on Ancestry wasRtalley1958
Looked for Nancy or John in my people on Ancestry. Sorry I am no help, but possibly someone else has info?
DeleteFrom what I have found Nancy and James Brock had a son name George Brock 1816-1902. I have read some people found her listed as a Brook also. Hope this helps any.
DeleteI am looking for info on Running Wolf 1636-1678 m. Autumn Rose. 2 children-Mildred Lily Wolf and White Lily--Mildred married William Bell II born 1720-2/26/1802. any help would be appreciated
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Deletestill hoping someone can help me with info on running wolf,,i got his name while tracing my fam tree to the wife of eppy nedius guion porter,,any help appreciatedd
ReplyDeleteI am also looking for this line. I am on ancestry researching more info.
Deletestill hoping someone can help me with info on running wolf,,i got his name while tracing my fam tree to the wife of eppy nedius guion porter,,any help appreciatedd
ReplyDeleteDid this line,eventually, marry a sexton?
ReplyDeleteAncestry.com's new app, "We're Related," just made the claim that Peyton Manning and I are both descended from Quatsy of the Wolf Clan. This was news to me. Did she have a daughter named Mary Jane and a granddaughter named Martha? Then it picks up with people I have in my tree. They were in the right place at the right time, that much I do know. thanks for any insight.
ReplyDeleteI also come from this line.
DeleteMary Jane married Jesse Hendrickson in Indiana before going to Missouri.
I descend from their daughter Rebecca Anne who married John Ray in cedar Missouri.
Most of their children were born in Missouri and the rest in Texas.
Their son was Teague called Tig married Margaret Kelly from the legendary John Kelly and William Smeathers families.
Tig and Maggie had four daughters named Clora, Lora, Dora, and Nora.
My great grandmother is Clora.
I had been searching for this line of my family, in memory of my grandmother Elsie, who was burdened by Alzheimer’s.
We lost so much of our history because of this. But through many years of searching I have been able to put together what grandmother was trying to tell us.
She said that we were related to Pocohantes, which I have found that I come from her sister Cleopatra.
She said that we were Cherokee, but could never find her on the rolls.
But thanks to the LDS site Family Search, I have found that everything that grandmother was telling us was absolutely true.
I am currently in the process of writing a book about these strong courageous people who braved unbearable conditions just to survive.
I found an ancestor named Arabella Moytoy who married a free mulatto man. He was a soldier named John carter. in the French and Indian War and met his wife in NC or Tenn. They moved to new bern to establish a refuge for , indian, free blks and mulattos in eastern nc. The town of Harlow NC is where they setlled. I always wondered about the moytoy name. She must be a descendent from one of the Moytoy men as its not a common name.
ReplyDeleteWas Quatsy Wolf Clan Tellico Moytoy married to her brother,
ReplyDeleteTrader aka Chief Amatoya "Moytoy of Chota" (Moytoy I) Carpenter? Everything I discover shows them having the same parents. These names are getting to me! Thanks.
Quatsy was Moytoy 1 mother in law also had a daughter named Quatsy. My 7th gen grandmother is Nancy ture Tenase rainmaker of the wolf clan. i am connected through Elizabeth Betsy Wolf clan Williams her daughter. Her son Thomas N Williams married Sarah Wards. Their son William Williams married Triphena Milsaps my 4th gg.
DeleteI have just recently found my entire line going back... We have the same lineage
DeleteMy great grandmother Martha Williams is William Williams Jr. Daughter.
DeleteI came across a link to Nancy Moytoy on familysearch.com. There is a link to a Mary Ward. I have seen accounts of Nancy being married to a Ward and was wondering if a child from that marriage may have been named Mary or that Mary may have been a granddaughter perhaps... This Nancy Moytoy was the daughter of
ReplyDelete"Go-sa-du-isga" Raven Clan." My email is newmoon072217@gmailcom.
Elizabeth McDaniel is my third cousin. jamesshires066@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteanybody here have any records of Mollie Flatt Welch born 1738-1806? She is supposedly the daughter of a Vannie or Quatsy/Betty Daniel. Some records say she was a Moytoy, but Im not sure.
ReplyDeleteI will share anything I have
Jim
I have that Vannie Quatsy was a Moytoy and was married to James Walter “Packhorse” Welch.
DeleteI do not recall that name as one of their children.
I'm trying to find a link with Nancy (Nanye'Hi) Rainmaker Wolf Clan Moytoy to Jennett Raven Feather Simpkins. Some on Ancestry have Nancy married to White Owl Raven Motoy Carpenter, but I am having difficulty finding evidence that Jennett is their daughter. I would appreciate whatever help anyone can give. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteRegarding your post of June 16, we have very similar questions but neither of us swamped by replies. Like you, I have an ancestor with an Anglo name but shown as child of Nancy Moytoy Attakullakulla Wolf (exact name and spelling varies) who was married to White Owl Raven Carpenter. One potential match for my search is that a person named "Tame Doe" is listed at the top of this Blog as a daughter who died in 1760. Unfortunately I have no answer for you but will keep searching.
DeleteGood luck!
A person named Eleanor Stubblefield, aka "Tame Doe" in some sites, is shown as a daughter of Nancy Moytoy Attakullakulla Wolf in Family Search nut her last name hints or maybe shouts that she is not Native American. What do you know about her?
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Jim
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I traced my ancestry back to my 7th great grandfather Amatoya Moytoy and his wife Quatsy (Woman of the Wolf Clan) Tellico and their daughter Elizabeth married a Timothy Williams from IIangolen Wales.
ReplyDeleteBut I keep finding information that Amatoya Moytoy is fictional and his story is all fabricated so I stopped looking into my ancestry. Now I'm white so white I can't enter a department store during a white sale, because people try to purchase me, but I am not looking for perks of having indigenous native ancestry I just want my children and grandchildren to know they had great ancestors over 200 years and who were the first and greatest inhabitants of this country.. If anyone can help me with information on the true existence or nonexistence of Amatoya Moytoy it would be greatly appreciated. My email is (buddyray11@gmail.com). Sorry for my incessant rambling.. Thank you..
Buddy Williams Sr, I am a descendent as well. I have seen postings saying fictional and real. I looked a little further into it, and it says some of the stories may be embellished a little bit, but without all the oh’s and ah’s, from what I have found, he is real.
ReplyDeleteLong time ago I connected Letecia "Letty" Howard (m.Thomas James Howard) to Motoy's. Is that still a possibility?
ReplyDeleteSorry about the spelling. Should be Moytoy.
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