Sunday, April 5, 2009

Dragging Canoe 1738 - 1792











Son of Chief Attakulkulla and Nannie Ollie - My 6th g Grand Cousin Once Removed






Tsiyugunsini "Dragging Canoe"
From the Cherokee Registry
As a 12-14 year old boy he was told he couldn't go with the war party unless he could drag the fully loaded war log canoe on land into the water. His enthusiasm and endeavors earned him the name Tsi'ui-Gunsin'ni "Dragging Canoe". This was circa 1750 when his father Atakullakulla led war parties against the French & their Native allies, including Shawnee, in the Ohio Valley.
From Wikipedia

Tsiyugunsini, "He is dragging his canoe", known to whites as Dragging Canoe, (c. 1738 – March 1, 1792) was an American Indian war leader who led a dissident band of Cherokee (joined by Upper Muskogee, Chickasaw, Shawnee, and Indians from other tribes/nations, along with British Loyalists, French and Spanish agents, renegade whites from the colonies, and runaway slaves), against the United States in the American Revolutionary War and a decade afterwards, a series of conflicts known as the Chickamauga wars, becoming the pre-eminent war leader among the Indian of the Southeast of his time. He served as principal chief of the Chickamauga, or Lower, Cherokee from 1777 until his death in 1792, upon which he was succeeded by John Watts.

Son of Attakullakulla ("Little Carpenter" in English), who was part Shawnee and part Nipissing, and a mother who was a Natchez living in a town of refugees from that tribes who had settled among the Overhill Towns on the Little Tennessee River, he contracted smallpox at a young age, which left his face pock-marked. According to Cherokee legend, his name is derived from an incident in his early childhood in which he attempted to prove his readiness to go on the warpath by hauling a canoe, the attempt resulting in him only being able to drag it.

Dragging Canoe did later get his chance to take part in war, initially against the Shawnee and Muskogee (later his two closest allies), but he gained his first real taste in the Anglo-Cherokee War (1759-1761), along with prior forays into the Ohio country as well. In the aftermath of this war, he became one of the most vocal opponents of encroachment by settlers from the British colonies onto Indian, especially Cherokee, land. Eventually he became chief of Great Island Town (Amoyeli Egwa in Cherokee, written Mialaquo by the British) on the Little Tennessee River.

When the Cherokee opted to join in the fighting of the American Revolution on the side of the British, Dragging Canoe was at the head of one of the major attacks. After his father and Oconostota refused to continue further after the wholesale destruction of the Cherokee Middle (Hill), Valley, and Lower Towns, Dragging Canoe led a band of the Overhill Cherokee out of the towns to the area surrounding Chickamauga River (South Chickamauga Creek) in the Chattanooga area, where they established eleven towns in 1777, including the one later referred to as "Old Chickamauga Town" across river from place where the British commissary John McDonald had set up shop, doing so on the advice of Alexander Cameron, the British agent to the Cherokee. From this location, frontiersmen gave his group the name the Chickamauga Cherokee, and later called them the Lower Cherokee.

After the Chickamauga towns were destroyed a second time in 1782, Dragging Canoe's band moved down the Tennessee River to the "Five Lower Towns" area below the obstructions of the Tennessee River Gorge: Running Water (now Whiteside), Nickajack (near the cave of the same name), Long Island (on the Tennessee River), Crow Town (at the mouth of Crow Creek), and Lookout Mountain Town (at the site of the current Trenton, Georgia). From Running Water, Dragging Canoe led attacks on white settlements all over the American Southeast, especially against the colonial settlements on the Holston, Watauga, and Nolichucky Rivers in East Tennessee, and the Cumberland River settlements in Middle Tennessee (after 1780), sometimes raiding into Kentucky and Virginia as well. His brothers Little Owl, The Badger, and Turtle-at-Home are known to have taken part in his wars as well.

Dragging Canoe died March 1, 1792, from exhaustion or an apparent heart attack after dancing all night celebrating the recent conclusion of alliance with the Muskogee and the Choctaw, despite a failed similar mission to the Chickasaw, from whence he had just returned, plus a recent victory by a Chickamauga war band on the Cumberland River settlements. He is considered by many to be the most significant Native Americans leader of the Southeast, and provided a significant role model for the younger Tecumseh, who was a member of a band of Shawnee living with the Chickamauga/Lower Cherokee and taking part in their wars.

Chief Dragging Canoe - Another Article

For seventeen years, Dragging Canoe led a war trail against settlements in Georgia, Virginia, and the Carolinas. The militia of these states retaliated by destroying Indian crops and more than 50 Cherokee towns. The old chiefs wanted peace, but Dragging Canoe wanted to continue the fight. He and his followers built new settlements in Georgia and became known as the Chicamaugans. This die-hard band of Chicamaugans conducted guerrilla raids, leaving a trail of scalps, murdered victims, and ruined crops. In 1777 Dragging Canoe killed a man named David Crockett, his wife and several of his children. Two of David's sons, Joseph and James, were taken prisoner and kept for 17 years. Another son, John, married and had nine children. The fifth of these was named Davey Crockett, after his murdered grandfather. This is the Davey Crockett who fought alongside Andrew Jackson in the Creek War of 1813, became a U.S. Senator, and later died a hero at the Alamo.

175 comments:

  1. He was a murdering savage for sure. Thankfully, many of the colonists from the low-country of SC, along with Francis Marion, killed many of these pagans and drove them out of the country. This was part of the story line from the movie The Patriot, starring Mel Gibson.

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    1. Oh yeah! That's so brilliant. I take ALL of my advice from that nutjob....you're the type that believes there was no holocaust... I am this murdering, Paegan, TRUE man's granddaughter. I feel that white people think they have so much more. Yet they actually have not even the intelligence to open their goddamned minds.

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    2. my husband portrays his character in a production here at Sycamore Shoals. there is a lot more to the man and the motives for his actions than first meets the eye

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    3. He was my great [a few times back] grand father. I am proud of my Cherokee heritage and its not the Indians who took the white mans land and stole it from them and killed the mercilessly. they were defending what was rightfully theirs. they did not invite any immigrant to this nation and if they don't like it then they can take their butts back from where their ancestors came from.

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    4. I have found out recently that I am a direct descendent through my grandfather that he was our grandfather however many generations back,it makes me feel very proud and very sad when I read about his history.And no matter what any minority complains about being treated,no one in this country was treated worse and lost more than these original Americans.But that's ok, because God will soon will correct everything,and fulfill his original purpose,and Jesus with his heavenly government will rule all the land,and the only trail of tears will be for the ones not being righteous, and living in the truth

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    5. First of all this is MY 6X GREAT GRANDFATHER! How dare you call him a murderous savage. The white people came to this land and took the land away from all Indians. They forced them on to reservations and made them walk thousands of miles across this country to force them to live on a small piece of land. They starved them to death. So before you make a comment you need to look at what the white people did to my ancestors first. You are uneducated. Learn your history before speaking.

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    6. I am working on a Documentary for Hales Bar Dam. Dragging Canoe has some sort of connection to the land. I would love to find the spot he is buried and visit the site.

      Dragging Canoe was a Warrior that's for sure. I sorry you are getting heat from people.

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    7. He is in my line and I am not ashamed 💓💞💖🌹 a great warrior. Tell me you wouldn't protect your family. I would call you a coward if you didn't rise to protect what's yours.

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    8. Seriously???? What a complete nut job. First of all they weren't pagans. Second, do just a little research....it's not hard, even for a idiot; look up who started the practice of scalping. It wasn't the Native Americans who started it. Another thing, if the Russians decided they needed more living space and they liked the look of your home and moved in and called it theirs, would you just move out and hand it over? Oh and they also brought diseases your family had no exposure or resistance to; would you just say oh well, we've just got to move over and live with it? They did try to live with it and was pushed farther and farther off their lands. Treaty after treaty was made and broken by OUR government. Are you such a crybaby wimp that you wouldn't put up a fight to protect your home and family? It's a stain on our country's history how our government as a whole treated, and still treats our Native Americans. I only have .02% Native American according to my DNA analysis, but I'm still proud of it. Stop getting all your history from Mel Gibson, he got the Brave Heart story bad kn y wrong too.

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    9. He is my 5th Ggrandfather did he ever get an English name? Was he or any of his family members on any of the rolls?

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    10. Dragging Canoe was a great Chief.If he was a murderer,what about the self centered idiots who came here from Europe and Spain.They killed the Indigenous people of what we now call America.

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    11. He was my Great Grandfather 7x, btw the person researching Hales Bar will find that Chief Dragging Canoe is unfortunately under water as Nickajack Cave is flooded because of Hales Bar Dam. I am what they call a Mulugeon which is an American that has Native American and European ancestry and traced back to the Appalachian Mountains in NC and south Virginia. All races have killed during war so I refuse to point fingers at the white people or Native Americans. I was not there when my ancestors came to America so I do not not know the conversations that originally took place between them and the Native Americans, they may have been friendly and offered "some" land to them seeing they were fleeing tyranny and maybe somewhere along the line it went bad and war broke out. The Trail of Tears was a tragic event that I absolutely hate. I feel the Native Americans were treated terribly. I also feel slaves were treated badly. My 3rd Great Grandfather was 100 percent Chinese, he came to the U.S. with a Baptist Missionary after he lost his parents in the Opium war, he ended up being a slave until he was 16 years old. We do not hear about other races being slaves only the African Americans. Native Americans owned slaves, African Americans owned slaves, etc. All I am saying is because we were not even born when all these things took place we do not know what 'really' happened and we should not be UGLY to one another we should love each other and forgive our ancestors for what they did. Please do not fight and please watch the words you say.

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    12. Im a decent of this great man he is my 8x great grandfsther and you day call him a murderous savage how dare you no one in my family is on the rollz we are fighting for our rights as natives for generations who come after us its not fair to us or anyone else

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    13. A murdering savage? We're the people of the chickamauga, "The River of Death" this is our land, anyone who lost their lives at the hand of the chickamauga, other natives, and my 6th great grand father DESERVED IT! Because of this man many lives and lands were saved for a time. He fought for rights of all native americans and refused to stop fighting until death. News flash, we view colonizers as savages.. since they come rape pillage and kill innocent people for existing.

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    14. also my ancestor.
      I am from his daughter susannah and her husband Stephen Reid

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    15. He was my 4th great grandfather, he was no murdering savage. He was not civilized as the European ideal of civilized, but his tribe had a hierarchy, a system of society and a desire to keep his land and people safe from encroachment. He was no murderer, he defended his land. Nicola Symonds, PhD candidate

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    16. My name is Nicola Symonds, I don't know why I am logged in as my son, however, William Conseenee, my 5th gg had 3 "wives", one of which Pinyan Walkingstick was my 5th gg, they had the same mother, as far as I can tell, still researching, my grandmother was a registered Chickamauga Cherokee so through the Dawes Act a lot of heritage was lost to many who have native american or Amerindian blood lines. It is unfortunate that we went through a historiography that at one point made a person feel like they needed to hide their heritage to a point where we are proud of the native drops of blood. Personally I have Nazi ancestors, Pinckney (founding father) ancestry, Native American, English and European history. As someone above said, enslavement is not a "white" thing, nor is defending your homeland.

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    17. Dragging Canoe is my 6th g-grandfather. That side of my family still has his ways even today.

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    18. Supposedly, my 4X Great Grandmother (Kizziah Bowen born Brown) is a daughter of Dragging Canoe, she married Abraham Bowen....does anyone on this thread, know anything else about this?

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    19. Kizziah Brown was my 5x great grandmother on my mother's side. She was the daughter of Dragging Canoe and Leaf U'ga'lo'gv Pathkiller.

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  2. Dear Anonymous:
    I see why you excluded your true identity as your ignorance and racism mirror your cowardice. You think NOTHING or importance are NOTHING of importance.

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  3. dragging canoe was a mighty warrior and a inspirational leader to his people.I am not a native american,but I was raised in Running water town, now Whiteside TN, [Question] There is a grave in the hollow beside the creek in whiteside on Gouger Lane,the grave says, [LET OUR BROTHER REST IN PIECE].A Native American couple visit the grave every year.If any one knows who's grave this is,or can tell me anything about it please let me know.Thank you.Anonymous/Curious writer.

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    1. I also was raised in Eygpt Hollow which is in Whiteside previously Running Waters. When I was probably 8 or 9 years old I seen an Indian Male standing in front of a tree line. He was dressed in ancient Indian dress. I will never forget it. I sometimes wonder if it could be Dragging Canoe

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    2. I also grew up in Eygpt hollow I have done a lot of research and walking in the mountains lot of history there lot of Cherokee history

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    3. I hope it was ❤️ myself and all 3/4 of my children have his ears.

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  4. I descend from both the Croquetaigne who came from Ireland via France AND Nancy Ward, who was either a cousin or brother of Dragging Canoe. The whites were, at best, illegal immigrants--at worst, terrorists. I side with the Cherokee for defending their homeland.

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  5. That is, cousin or sister...

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  6. Draggin Canoe had no brothers but an aboundance of sisters and when he fought it was with honor and pride for our people and all native americans so please do not trust in second hand or third hand knowlege but in truth that has been passed down though the family for i am Thunder Bolt and have honor for my ancester Dragging Canoe

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    1. He did have a Brother, his name was Little Owl.

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    2. thank you Thunder Bolt for honoring Dragging Canoe. he was my great[a few times back] grand father.

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    3. He had around 8 or more brothers. Danny Granddaughter

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    4. You are mistaken about Draggin Canoe having no brothers. My 4th great-grandfather, Chief Chulio Shoeboots (Te-as ki-yarga), was Draggin Canoe's younger brother.

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  7. Chief Dragging Canoe had a son named Young Dragging Canoe who had a daughter named
    Sarah Consense. Sarah then had a son
    named Samuel Quinton. Samuel married Lucinda McDuffie and gave birth to Sarah Amanda Quinton who married Henry Carter who is one of my great great grandfathers. I guess that means we're related. How cool is that??

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  8. Cherokee Chief Dragging Canoe in our tradition abandoned the Treaty of Sycamore Shoals with some of our people, went into southeat Kentucky, and defied the authorities for years. Canoe, Kentucky, in Breathitt County, early Perry County area, is named for Chief Dragging Canoe. redbirdband.bravehost.com

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    1. Were any of the Martin's related to Chief Dragging Canoe??Moses,Valentine

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    2. In doing some geneology research, Chief Dragging Canoe comes up in the line of the Martins of Ashe Co., NC and Johnson Co., TN. Britton Jefferson Stewart married Abigail Taylor in 1829 and they had a daughter, Elizabeth Stewart (Stuart). Elizabeth married Alexander Martin and this line came down in Ashe Co., NC. If you run Abigail Taylor's line backwards you come into references to Chief Dragging Canoe.

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    3. there are two chief dragging canoe father and a son

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  9. I am a descendanat of Samuel Quinon, Sr.
    born in 1762 in Union Co., South Carolina, he married Jane (last name unknowen}, they had a son named Henry Quinton, born 1800 in Union Co. South Carolina. Henry Quinton married Sarah Consene, she was born in Hightower, Georgia and dead sometime around 1839. She gave birth to Peggy Wakee Quinton in 1830, Daniel Quinton,Samuel Henry Quinton, Lewis Quinton, Nathaniel Quinton and John Quinton. Samuel Quinton, Sr. is GreatgreatgreatgreatGrandfather. Check out on line the decendants of Samuel Quinton, Sr. He fought during the revolutionary War. Pension #S32461. So that would make Young Dragging Canoe my fifth greatgrandfather.
    I am also a Cherokee.

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  10. I am related to Dragging Canoe through my grandmother and also related to Daniel Boone through my grandfather.He was descended from Sarah Cassandra.I consider myself very patriotic but the more I see and study our history ,the more ashamed and heartbroken I am at the way the native American people have been treated.Had I been born in that time I may very well have sided with Dragging Canoe.

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    1. Hi
      I am also related to both of these familes. I am descended though Sarah Cassandra Boone also. I feel exactly like you, sometimes when doing research it makes me cry to learn how much the Native Americans had to give up.

      Reba

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    2. I too am related both of these families. Call me 682-205-6442 thanks, Jason

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  11. Dragging Canoe's granddaughter, Kiziah Sosandra Roark married William Price which is the line of my ancestors. Dragging Canoe is my 5gr grandfather.

    I knew my grandmother was part Indian, but never knew details until last week. Thank you for your blog; I have learned much.

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    1. Dragging Canoe was also my 5th greatgrandfather. One of his granddaughter Sarah Roark was my 3 greatgrandmother

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    2. Kiziah Sosandra Roark is my 5th GGM married to William Price who's mother was Abigail Raven Canoe, daughter of Chief Dragging Canoe...but I am also a descendant of Naki Sarah Tatsi Brown (6th GGM) who is said to be Dragging Canoe's daughter as well...however I believe her biological father was Alexander Brown. She was 5'8", Light mahogany skin, dark eyes, and long nappy hair (not my words but from the site I added to this). According to this website her sons were lynched for sympathizing with the Union Soldiers during the Civil War, one survived the hanging and was forced to join the Confederate Army after he recovered, however he deserted them to join the Union Army (there are 3 Prices who joined the 7th WV Calvary...PVT Benjamin Moses, PVT George W. Price, and 2Lt John Price). Please read: HANGING OF THE PRICE FAMILY ON ASHE COUNTY COURTHOUSE LAWN, JEFFERSON, NC on 23 March 1863. More info about it is at this site: http://marshfork.com/history/hanging.pdf

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    3. I am also related to dragging canoe via roarke /price way

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    4. I was born out of wedlock and never got the chance to know my father or his family. My grand father on my Fathers side was Fred Conseen. My father was Jerry Conseen. I was able to contact an uncle on this side by the name of Tom Conseen. He told me that the Conseens wete ditect decendants of Dragging Canoe. I have dine a lot of research on Dragging Canoe. I would live to know more about my families lineage. If there is anyone out the that could help me learn my I would be forever grateful. My Email is Alanvelasquez70@gmail

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    5. Hi my name Is Fred Conseen son of Jerry Conseen and grandson of Fred Conseen, I am also a direct descendant of Dragging Canoe.

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    6. I am a descendant of Naki Sarah Tatsi Canoe Brown, the daughter of Dragging Canoe. She was actually married to Thomas Archibald Brown. I come from their daughter Sarah Celia Brown Cagle. She is my 6th gg.

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    7. I may be a direct descendant of Dragging Canoe if he married Ailsey Pathkiller and they had a daughter named Elmira who married Ellis Sanders and they had a son Mitchell So-So- Goose Sanders who married Susannah "Ani-tsi-skwa Of the Bird Clan" Springfrog.I have a document stating he was Cherokee by blood that a distant cousin used to join the Cherokee Nation. I do have documents, birth, death, census, applications for land that connect me to him. Can some tell me if they have seen those names in their research. Thank you, Ann Smith

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  12. hello, i have recently found that i am a descendant of chief dragging canoe. if anyone has any family trees, info, or pics of him please email me at geminidream29@live.com. ty

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  13. I am a 4th great grandson of Chief Dragging Canoe. His daughter, Abigail (born 1760), married Charles Roark. Their daughter Sarah married Stephen Blackhawk Taylor in 1792. They had 10 children, the fifth of which was Abigail "Abbie" Taylor, who married Brittain Stuart 31 Oct 1829 in Carter Co, TN. They had 10 children, the sixth of which was my grandfather, Brittain Jefferson Stewart, who married Hannah Hampton. They had 14 children, the 10th of which was my mother, Ida Belle, who married William Eldridge Slagle, my father. My mother and her sister always maintained that we had Native American
    roots, but they had not been able to determine what they were. Thanks to the genealogical work of many whose results are available on the Internet now, I have been able to make the connection to Chief Dragging Canoe, who must have been to the Cherokee and the Southeastern tribes the equal of Sitting Bull, Chief Joseph, and Crazy Horse to the western native peoples. The "progress" of history has been relentlessly cruel to native people the world over since time began, and those who stood up for their rights were demonized beyond belief.

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    1. William,
      I am related to Charles Roark and have been trying for years to make this connection. Is it possible to get your info ?
      Thanks Amy Kohler
      Gypz4life@aol.com

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    2. Hi i am related as well through my grandmother Cora Roark Weaver. The Roarks that Raven Abigail Canoe marriied into. It seems that much of the south is related. I am trying to find out if Dragging Canoe is related to Thomas Pasmere Carpenter by blood or by adoption, since he had both. If anyone knows please let me know.

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    3. I am related through Charles Roark and Abigail, too. I saw a poster on here, too, who mentioned Daniel Boone, and I am related to him, too. When Daniel Boone's parents immigrated from England, thag brought that part of our branch to America. I am related to Daniel Boone through his sister Sarah Wilcoxen who married John Wilcoxen. i believe Charles Roark and Daniel Boone knew each other, too. It is a fascinating family history.

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  14. That is so true, William. We are also decendants of Dragging Canoe. My mother has all the geneology papers on this. If you would like to contact her, just e-mail and we can go from there. Just put "dragging canoe" in the subject line.Shay-my designjewelry@comcast.net

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    1. I'm researching my family's connection to Dragging Canoe. My ggrandfather was william price and my father was orphaned. It's very difficult to find anything. Any help at all on the Price side would be so appreciated.
      K. Price

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  15. I am a Cherokee descendant from the line of Moytoy and Su Ghi Ani waya, I think we are related to DC thru them I am also English/ Irish/ Scotch, Thru Elizabeth Mcdaniel and James Thomas Essary.I love all my races tho the Creator made ppl not race We are all the children of one great Father in the sky. I go to the water for cleansing as often as I can as my Cherokee ancestors did , it makes me feel whole. I also practice a form of western Christianity, we are what we are.

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  16. I have been researching for years and wanted to know who was father of Abigail Cherokee (Canoe) Indian. My research and study is paying off now...My G>>>Grandmother Abigail Roark (wife of Charles Roark) has same facial features as Dragging Canoe.
    Carol

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    1. Abigail Canoe was my 6th GREAT-Grandmother.I'm looking for any information to prove that Dragging Canoe was her father.If anyone has any information please contact me at: vmcbride77@gmail.com.
      Thank You,
      Vanessa

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    2. Abigail Canoe is my 7th Great Grandmother. If I figured that right, possible 6th. Her Grand daughter Elizabeth (Lizzy) Mahala married her cousin Enoch Roark which in turn was the grandson of Timothy Roark, also Charles and Abigail's son. I imagine marrying 2nd cousins was more common then. If you have a picture of Abigail Canoe I would greatly appreciate you sharing this. val_nickels@gmail.com
      Valerie

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  17. Jennifer Johnson ChandlerDecember 12, 2010 at 3:39 AM

    Dragging Canoe was my 7th Great-Grandfather. His son, Little Dragging Canoe, married Rutha Rowland and they had one child, Martha Tilda Snow. Martha married Squire Allen and that line and surname remained intact through my paternal grandmother, Ruby Allen. I am proud to have this great man, this awesome warrior, as my ancestor!

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    1. I am also a decendant of Martha Tilda Snow thru her daughter Matilda Jane Allen. DO you have any proof that she was the daughter of Little Dragging Canoe? IF you would share your information with me i would really appreciate it.
      Hope to hear from you, EMMA
      emmadbishop@yahoo.com

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    2. I have been researching my SNOW line since 1997, trying to find my great great grandfather's parents. How did Tilda have the name Snow? DNA has proven connections to some Snow lines AND Chief BlueJacket of the Shawnee. Attakullakulla was 1/2 Shawnee. Can you please help with how Tilda had Snow and who her Snow brothers might be? Thank you, Anita Snow anitasmason@gmail.com

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    3. I am also a decendant of Martha Tilda Snow thru her daughter Mary Polly Allen....Just received our family tree. we have her name as Martha Tilda Snow Owl Canoe. (Allen)

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    4. Has anyone gotten anywhere on this connection. I am a descendant of Martha Tilda Snow and Squire Allen as well. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to email me at ebrawls@ymail.com

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  18. I am the 7th great grandson of Dragging Canoe through the Copelands of TN. There are many reasons I am glad I have done the research on my family tree, but this was one of the great moments for me.

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    1. I am researching the connection between Copelands from Perry, TN (1780)and Dragging Canoe. Can you help me? Any help or lead would be greatly appreciated. Please email to vikkib@cfaith.com. Vikki

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  19. I am finding all this history of Dragging Canoe vastly interesting! I am descended through Sarah Naky Canoe, his daughter who married Alex Brown. Ales Brown Jr. was born to them, and he married violet Barton. They had 11 children, one of them,Sarah Brown, is my great-great-great grandmother. She married Elijah Hambelton, and they had Zaccharis Sanford Hambelton who married Sarah Greer. Sara Cuba Dell Hambelton was their daughter who married Thomas Nelson Atkins. Their son Lester Virgil Atkins is my paternal grandfather. I too am very proud to call this War Chief my ancestor. His intelligence and persistence should be celebrated!

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    1. tk125,
      i have been researching this and came across your notes and my grandfather was a hambelton, decendant of DC. is there any way we can connect. e-me dc1lewis@yahoo.com

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    2. tk125, i am in the Alexander Brown and Violet Barton family and have heard the stories about being related to Dragging Canoe but have found no proof. If you have documents proving it I would love to see it. Geneology get very frustrating sometimes. donnak1957@outlook.com

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    3. tk125, I am also descended from Alex Sawney Brown and Violet Barton, through their dau Sarah and Elijah Hambelton, and their dau Martha Dove and Elijah Haralson. In fact, I live just a few miles away from the burial site (Brock Cem) of Alexander Sawney Brown. Please contact me so we may share info: chismracing @gmail.com 417.276.9908 Gerald Chism

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    4. Only through DNA have I found the connection. I'm in part of these same lines.

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    5. Only through DNA have I found the connection. I'm in part of these same lines.

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    6. Sarah Naky married Nathan Ward after Alex Brown. I come from the Ward line. So many descendants of Dragging Canoe.

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    7. I too am descended from Nathan Ward & Sarah Naky Canoe & their son William Newton Ward. Me, my mom & daughter all have very low Native American DNA results but being Sarah is our 4-5-6th great grandmother it explains the low results of 1-2%

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    8. I just recently discovered this line in my family. I am related through Sarah Naky and Nathan Ward. My grandmother's maiden name was Ward (her father, William Sidney...his father, Thomas Turner...his father, Wells...his father Nathan Ward Jr). It has been very exciting to reach this part of the family history. I am going to have my dad (Michael Ward Tucker) do the DNA test so we can make sure what I have found is true. If not, we'll go from there.
      Gerald Chism - I live in SWMO and just made plans to go see the burial site at Brock Cemetery in two days. I will email you soon.
      Cathy McKee - catmckee3@gmail.com

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  20. does anyone have any actual documentation on abigail being dragging canoes daughter? Very hard to proof she is his relative.. email me at unbelievablebs@yahoo.com if you can help.

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  21. I believe that I am a descendent of Cheucunsene "Dragging Canoe". He would be my 6th Great Grandfather. I have pictures of Drewsilla Taylor which was my Gr Gr Grandmother and she was supposed to be of strong Cherokee descent. My Great Great Great Grandfather was Simeon Taylor whose mother was Sarah Roark and whose grandmother was Abigail Lnu Canoe. If anyone has a picture or anything to add to this please get back to me (email anr0906@att.net). I also live within just miles of Red Clay where the Trail of Tears began and also close to Nancy Wards Grave.

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    1. I would love more information about Abigail Canoe. If my research is right, She is my 4th G-Grandmother, and I would like to find out more about her. I will go back through all my information also to see how I found out that Dragging Canoe was Abigail's father. I spent years researching on ancestry.com.

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  22. tk125, I'm related to Lester Atkins. My grandfather is Richard Atkins. Please contact me @ devin_ethan@yahoo.com . I love learning about our family. If you have more information I would love to hear from you. Thanks Becky Atkins

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    1. Hi Becky! Just now got back on this site. I have a few more websites now, contact me on facebook - Tami Atkins Beckman, I think we may already be friends. I know we are cousins!

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    2. Hi Becky, My name is Alan and I have been doing some family research on my great great grandfater Albert Jackson Atkins whos fathers name is Lester Atkins. I would like to communitcate with you to try and figure out if this happens to be the same Lester Atkins. my email is alan_mumford7@yahoo.com.

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  23. I am also related if there is proof that Abigail is a daughter. Timothy Price was my great-great grandfather. His parents were Solomon Price and Nancy Mahala. Soloman's mother was Kiziah Roark and Nancy's mother was Abigail Roark (which makes Soloman and Nancy first cousins). Would love documentation or proof that Abigail was actually a daughter of Dragging Canoe. blrobi09@smumn.edu. Thanks, Brittany Robinson (grandaughter of Ray Dowell and Ruth Ward)

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  24. I'm also related if we can get proof that Abigail is a daughter. My Great Grandmother was Rosella South, daughter of Stephen South, son of Mary Taylor, daughter of Sarah Roark, daughter of Abigail. any information, please email me at stacylynn624@gmail.com with the subject Dragging Canoe. Thanks!

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  25. Don Said: I think I am related to the family on two sides of my family in researching my family. On my fathers mother Dora May Barkers mother Martha Brown (1850-1937) and to my mother Easter May Sheets mother: Caldonia "Callie" Roark b. ca.1884 who was from the Horse Creek area in Ashe County, N.C who married Arthur Cleveland Sheets b.ca 1886. If any one has ay further information you can e-mail me: Don Junior Lambert at: donzo19462@hotmail.com. I was born in Jefferson, Ashe County, N.C. in 1946. Thank You.

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    1. I am Caldonia's great grand-daughter. I know you can go though Caldonia's son-in-law, Conley Thompson to get to Chief Dragging Canoe, but I haven't checked her side. Something tells me my tree doesn't fork a lot.... But it least it leads to a great leader!

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  26. Does anyone know how the Henderson families & Dragging Canoe are bloodline connected?
    I am supposedly descended from Draggin Canoe, via the Davis ancestry, a John Henderson who married a Mary ?
    I am also a direct descendant of the Copeland family name.
    I am of Royalty Connections of European foreign countries & of American Indian...Lost Cherokee tribal people, no CDIB ID card tho.
    My email is : bojacks1@yahoo.com
    Hazel Davis-Clark

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  27. I am also a relative connection to Daniel Boone & his family.
    I follow a migration of people / military families, and see how they connect to the ancient & bibical history documentation.
    North America was colonized & the people (native people, people born in that particular land) in the same manner as that of any other country.
    Each has had a Messiah, a Chosen People & an Israel...a special name for a male outstanding leadership & each has had Promised (reserved) Lands.
    Hazel Davis-Clark
    U.S.Military -Veteran's Advocate
    Civil Rights Activist
    bojacks1@yahoo.com

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  28. Stands with Ten Bears./ Strength of Ten Bears.October 21, 2011 at 3:47 AM

    Wow, where to start. I am from the Roark/Sheets/ Carters/Boone etc..I just found out who my real grandfather was. Really, Dragging canoe ? Maybe this is why I was given the names, I was given. Strength, Determination, and so much more. And not to offend any one, first settlers were criminals of Christianity. Both sides fought for their beliefs. On one side land, and all beliefs. The others ( first settlers.) beliefs of God and Jesus. Both sides fought hard for, and proudly bleed for to.

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  29. Could the anonymous from Whiteside please email me at EcoAirman@aol.com. I have a few questions on the marker on Gouger Ln.

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  30. I am looking for information/proof that Abigail Roark was the daughter of Dragging Canoe. If Abigal is Dragging Canoe's daughter that would make him my 6th Greatgrandfather and my 7th Greatgrandfather, as one of the Roarks married a second cousin. Many folks on Ancestry.com make this connection, but just because they say it does not make it true.

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    1. Exactly. Just because someone puts it on the internet does not make it true. I would like to see proof as well. I am also a descendant of Charles and Abigail Roark, but I have seen no documented proof that she was a Cherokee Indian or that she was a daughter or granddaughter of Dragging Canoe. It's nice to imagine, but until someone comes forward with acceptable proof, I think Roark descendants should refrain from stating it as fact. I really hope someone can prove it. It would be a wonderful and interesting heritage to claim.

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    2. I found the following posted on ancestry.com under my family history for Abigail Canoe Roark. It does not offer proof neither does it completely deny her. I have contacted the Chickamaugan tribe with help. I am informed that they have data bases not available to everyone. I have several Native American ancestors but little proof. However, I am sure if I did mitochondrial DNA it would show proof. Myself and other family members possess physical traits. Not even the leaders of that time were pure-blood Cherokee, including Dragging Canoe himself.
      Abigail Easterd-Vanover Eastern Cherokee Application Numbers FoundPosted by: Tara Maggard (ID *****3045)Date: June 01, 2009 at 06:48:06 of 974 I finally found the numbers for the applications and all are on the Guion Miller Rolls listed as REJECTED:NARA-M1104. "Eastern Cherokee Applications of the U.S. Court of Claims, 1906-1909"Application numbers are:#34208 Elizabeth Perry-Ham#34209 Cordelia Ham-Davis#34210 Richard Perry#34211 Edith Perry-Sheets#34212 Arthur Sheets#34213 Mary Sheets-Pennington#44579 Edith Perry-Clelland (some loose papers were also found in Elizabeth Perry-Ham's file)#44701 Margaret Perry-Stepp#36094 Rhoda Perry-Greer#36095 Emeline Roark-Greer (unsure if she's a desc. of Abby, but Rhoda Perry-Greer and this Emeline filed their ECA's together...Emeline claimed different descendancy through her Roark father but her mother was a Ham)#36629 Reid Perry#36630 Charley O. Perry#36631 Lundy A. Perry#36632 Wiley L. Perry#36633 Elbert Perry#28118 Aley Perry-Barr#28119 Missouri V. Perry-Stike#28120 Jonathan Perry#28121 Eavia J. Perry-Blevins#44578 Rachel PerryALL these applications were REJECTED because Abigail Easterd-Vanover was not listed in the Eastern Cherokee Rolls. She might have been missed, might have used her Cherokee surname and the Dept. of Indian Affairs couldn't find her under Easterd, or she may not have actually been Native American....Mitochon-drial DNA testing will have to be the proving factor now. I don't descend from an all-female line, otherwise I'd get tested.My line:(5G) Cornelius (5th) Vanover & Abigail Easterd(4G) Daniel Vanover & Nancy Collins(3G) Cornelius J. "Neely" Vanover & Margaret J. "Peggy" Johnson(2G) Bethany Elizabeth Vanover & Robert Lee FlemingBottom line...(1) These applications NEVER proved Abby was Cherokee. They are just the family's claim of descent which was never proven due to Abby not being a recognized member of the tribe through being listed on their rolls. I believe she was Native American, but it'll have to be proven through Mitochondrial DNA.(2) Some people's websites state that "her descendants who remained in North Carolina were paid restitution from the United States government for some reason."Because Abby was never proven to be Cherokee, no restitution was ever made to her descendants.(3) This still DOES NOT prove that Abby was not Native American.This list of application numbers may be incomplete. I am still searching for more numbers.Notify Administrator about this message?

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    3. Valerie,
      The above information was written by me back in 2009 and is for Abigail Easterd-Vanover who married Cornelius 5th Vanover. This particular Abigail and the Abigail (last name unknown) who was married to Charles Roark are two totally different women...easily provable. Many people on Ancestry.com have incorrectly attached my information on Abigail Easterd-Vanover to Charles Roark's wife and a lot of unfortunate confusion has ensued as to the two Abigail's due to careless copying.

      For a more up to date 2013 version of this info, please see: http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.vanover/408/mb.ashx
      I no longer believe my Abigail Easterd-Vanover was Native American based on all available paper documentation, as well as recent mitochondrial DNA tests.
      -Tara Maggard

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    4. From Terry Harmon: Just as an update, although I still have never seen any documentation produced that would prove Charles Roark's wife Abigail was a Native American, I recently completed DNA testing through 23andme. The results show that I have 0.1% Native American on my mother's side. I am a male, and tracing my X chromosome backwards to my 3rd great-grandparents, there are only eight 3rd great-grandparents from whom this could have been passed down. One of those is Elizabeth Stewart Martin, daughter of Abigail Taylor Stewart, daughter of Sarah Roark Taylor, daughter of Abigail (maiden name unknown Roark). Of course, the Native American ancestry could have come from any of those other seven 3rd great-grandparents, but the Roark line is the only one that has any related family tradition of Indian blood. Again, no proof whatsoever, but interesting just the same and perhaps an indicator that Abigail MIGHT HAVE BEEN Native American.

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  31. I found information where Dragging Canoe had a Daughter named Nar-Nee, it said that she took the name of Elizabeth Ross. If this isn't true does anyone have a Leatha Ross in their line. I have been searching for years for this family, Leatha had a daughter named Mildred Talley born 1790, Mildred married Levi Phillips....HELP!
    Not sure how to pick my profile but my email is
    genjoni@yahoo.com

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    1. hello..I have just begun tracing my family roots on the asbell side..and was able totrace my grgrandma bessie backto william and elizabeth..i also have afamily lineage that goesback to the ross familyand somehow the rossfamily connected to the asbells..if i come across a leatha I willlet u know..shemay have been johnross sister or cousin..im still working on to verify i am a decendant of william an nar-nee..native2u@yahoo.com

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  32. What a fantastic blog! I just discovered that Dragging Canoe is my 6th great grandfather on my Mother's side, & I'm totally fascinated with my newly discovered heritage.
    Thank you for this wonderful resource. You hard work is much appreciated!

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  33. Osyio, I am of the Conseene line on my grandmother's side and Rowe/Vann on my Grandfather's side. We were early settlers to Arkansas and later in the Saline dist. of Oklahoma. My line has been genetically tested and is from the Dragging Canoe gene pool. Wado

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  34. Wow, I enjoyed reading this.

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  35. Ok, I'll try this out. Does anyone know anything about Dragging Canoe's grand daughter, Annie Brown and her marriage to Robert Pace in 1798, and any descendants?

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    1. On One World Tree (Ancestry.com) it shows a Robert Pace born in 1798 in East Tennessee who was married to an Annis Brown.

      Spouse
      Annis Brown
      Born: 20 Mar 1799 in Virginia, USA
      Died: 22 Nov 1862 in Carlyle, Allen, Kansas, USA

      Children Sex Birth
      Annis V Pace F 1799
      William Alexander Pace M 1824
      John K Pace M 1825
      Nancy A Pace F 1830
      Daniel M Pace M 1832
      Violette Esabella Pace F 1835

      There are 10user-submitted trees associated with this information. Hope this help.

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  36. I am a bit lost here. I was just told a week ago that I am a direct decendent of Dragging Canoe but I am not sure where to start the search to prove this. I know my mother has before but she lost all the paper work. Any advice on how to track it again?

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    1. Ancestry.Com has been an invaluable resource for me in starting and continuing my research.

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  37. My mother has been attempting to trace our heritage for many years, and has been led to this chief as part of it. I would be very interested in talking to anyone having more information, or actual documentation about him, his children, close friends, etc... The Asbille Family History was a book written by George T. and Donald E. Bennett, Genealogists from Pulaski, TN.. In this book, It states that William Asbille, son of Dorothy Ross (sister to George Ross, one of the signers of The Declaration of Independence), settled for some time in Duncombe County, NC.. There, he wooed and married the daughter of Samuel Becknell. This daughter (named Malinda Ross) was of Cherokee parentage. A Cherokee Chief, believed to be Dragging Canoe (son of Attakullakulla), had been close friends with the Becknells, and often stayed on their land and hunted with Samuel and his son Thomas. Many times, the Chief brought his unnamed wife with him and slept in a wigwam on the land. On one of these occasions, the Becknell family went to greet them, only to find an empty wigwam. While searching the land, they heard the cry of a baby. In further searching, they found a baby tied to it's dead mothers breast (which was supposed to be Cherokee custom when a mother died during child birth). The Becknells took this child home and raised her as Malinda Ross. She is my great (x5) grandmother. If I am truly of Cherokee bloodline (of which I am convinced), I would love to learn more of my heritage and have my name along side my ancestors. If you have any information that might support statements made by this book, please let me know.

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    1. I am the great great grandson of William Asbille who married Malinda Ross but from his second wife, Betsy Moore. I would be glad to correspond.
      Jim Bennett
      Birmingham, Al
      Jbennett2006@charter.net

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  38. I am related to Chief Tsiyugunsini "Dragging Canoe through his daughter Abigail Raven Canoe who married Charles Roark. They are related to my Price Families of Tuscaloosa Alabama. I agree..History is so awesome with great and not so great moments..
    Ramel2001.pages.qpg.com
    Thanks for the link...I will add it to my page when I add Raven..
    Ramel Price brown

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  39. Kiziah Sosandra Roark, Daughter of Abigail Raven Canoe, daughter of Chief Tsiyugunsini "Dragging Canoe and Leaf (Nellie Pathfinder) of Old Chota
    Tennessee.

    www.ramel2001.pages.qpg.com

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  41. I am related to Abbie also! through Mary eastridge daughter of Phebia Taylor, who married Matthew Linsey Clark, my so-grt grandfather.

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  42. Hi, I just recently started tracking my ancestors and it leads me to Chief Dragging Canoe. My grandmother's great-great grandparents were Nathan Ward and Sarah Canoe. (her name was Vida Ward, her father was Cephas Ward, her grandfather Eulis Jackson Ward, her great grandfather Nathan Ward Jr, and her great great grandfather Nathan Ward Sr with wife Sarah Canoe) In researching, my 'rabbit trails' led me to Nathan Ward Sr's grave marker and then to his wife Sarah and her marker says Sarah, an Indian. I am in my 60's and all of my elders have passed on. All trails lead right back to Dragging Canoe and Sarah, but I keep running across conflicting 'descendent' webpages. I also read somewhere that Dragging Canoe had many wives. Could that be why there are so many conflicting names? I'm stumped on where to go with this.

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    1. I would be interested in you submitting your DNA to Ancestry to see if we match! Angela.odom22@gmail.com

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    2. I just started tracing this line as well. Nathan Jr is my ancestor. He married Eleanor Jones and had Wells. Wells married Omega Snow and had Thomas. Thomas married Margaret Harvey and had William Sidney. Sid was my great grandfather (Sid had Wilma Janette...who married Jack Tucker. My dad is Michael Ward Tucker and I am Cathy Tucker McKee). I am going to try to get my dad to do a DNA test so we can see if my research matches up with the bloodline. This is very exciting. ;)
      catmckee3@gmail.com

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  43. Hi, I am researching my wife's heritage and ran across the claim that a lady named "Mary Polly Brown" was a great-granddaughter of Chief Dragging Canoe (who was married to George Hart). Does anyone have information that would support this claim

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  44. My daughter lives across the street from the old carter mansion in elizabethton, tn. the house is on the watauga river. john carter and his son landon carter owned the house with family. it is said that dragging canoe is a viscious spirit there and often seen around the house. he was supposedly in the house quite a bit but got very upset with the transylvania purchase. he supposedly killed settlers that came into the area. check out the site on carter mansion.

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  45. Thanks so much for your information Holly. I will check it out.

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  46. Im related to Naky Canoe and Alexander Sawney Brown... if im correct he is my 5th great grand father

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    1. I have also been told that I'm related to Dragging Canoe thru Alexander Sawney Brown but haven't been able to prove it. Do you have any documentation, I would love to see it and put an end to the wondering. My name is Donna Walker and i live in Muskogee, Okla email is donnak1957@outlook.com

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  47. Im a decendant of dragging canoe and im proud of where I come from Native all the way !!!!

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  48. To all Charles ROARK and Abigail the "Cherokee" researchers:

    I have recently done DNA testing on myself on my mtDNA (Mitochondrial DNA) line (direct maternal line) at Family Tree DNA and got an exact match with another person who had tested and whose ancestor is Mary "Polly" ROARK, daughter of Charles ROARK and probably Abigail.

    If Abigail was the mother of all of Charles ROARK's children, then the DNA results that we have would represent her maternal line.

    Note that my direct maternal ancestor is NOT Abigail. I am descended from another woman, but who must have a common ancestor with Abigail.

    The DNA results show that it is likely that Abigail was not full-blooded Cherokee, but that her mother was most likely of European descent. The other possibility is that Abigail was not the mother of all of Charles ROARK's children.

    I am interested in finding men or women who are descended from Abigail (or who believe they are) on their direct maternal line (mother, her mother, her mother, etc.). I am also interested in knowing of any information anybody has on other possible mothers of Charles ROARK's children. Finally, anybody who has done research on this line is of interest. DNA may help solve this question of the heritage of Abigail.

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    1. My email is dlewis0714@gmail.com....what could the DNA test prove???

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    2. Oh I guess my other post did not go through. Abigail is listed as my 6th great grandmother on my family tree. her and charles' daughter jane married john pope and they had a child named george pope who married nellie lewis who had a child named Nathan pope who married Anne Gibson and they had a child named tennessee pope who married james alfred wicker and they had a child named Paris Wicker who had a child named Mark wicker who is my grandfather from my mothers side.

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    3. It also seems that Nellie Lewis' grandparents where also abigail and charles roark.......so even if jane roark is not abigails daughter is there a chance that eleanor roark is abigail and charles' daughter???

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    4. My stepfather Hershel Ray Fleenor b: 10 June 1936 in Bell County,Ky. d: 3 September 2007 in Rockport,Tx. his mother was Belvia Roark Jackson and her mother was Mary ( Polly) Roark, her mother was Abigail Roark Canoe. He spoke of his grandmother's often. His father was killed in a logging accident before he was born, he took his stepfather's name. His father's last name was Slusher, Tom. Don't know anything about that side of the family with that name.

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  49. Can't help but smirk at the irony. Tsiyu Gansini gave his life trying to keep white people off of his land. White people got the land. Now white people want his name too. Any time I see somebody claim that they are "part Cherokee" (no such thing, btw) and then talk in some goofy pseudo-Indian dialect that they picked up watching Dances With Wolves or Legends of the Fall I can't help but laugh. It's 2014, real Indians don't talk like that. Stop it five. Too many Chiefs, not enough Indians. I've never met a single white person who said, "My great-grandfather was Charley, a Cherokee man who sold bait by the river." It's always a great-grandmother who was a Cherokee Princess. I would be willing to bet that none of you claiming descent from Tsiyu Gansini are actually Aniyunwiya. Probably the 6x great-grandkid of some squatter he killed.

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    1. There is no such thing as 'part-Cherokee.' Either you're Cherokee or you're not.
      It isn't the quantity of Cherokee blood in your veins that is important, but the quality of it . . . your pride in it.I have seen full-bloods who have virtually no idea of the great legacy entrusted to their care. Yet, I have seen people 
      with as little as 1/500th blood who inspire the spirits of their ancestors
      because they make being Cherokee a proud part of a their everyday life."

      Jim Pell: Principal Chief of the North Alabama Cherokee Tribe

      Dear Anonymous,
      Most of us doing Cherokee research know about being "part Cherokee." I am tremendously proud of this heritage. Saying part Cherokee is just a easy way of saying you are not full blood.

      You certainly have a lot of pain in your heart to say such negative things. I do not see any "pseudo-Indian dialect" on any comments or on this blog.

      Why not concentrate on love instead of hate.

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  50. He is my 7th great-grandfather.

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  51. Nionne(Nannie) Ollie Ani waya Moytoy and Attakullakulla Moytoy are my 6th great grandparents. There daughter, Rebecca Narcissa Moytoy married Lanier B. Brewer. I would deeply appreciate any assistance or information on records for marriage or listings in the Cherokee nations. Many thanks. Teresa

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  52. The line from Nionne Ollie waya Moytoy to myself is as follows:(to the best of my knowledge). Rebecca Narcisses and Lanier Brewer,Jr. to Wiley Brewer and Margaret Cockman to John J. Brewer and Julina Parker to Hanah Nora Brewer and William Horton to Catherine Horton and Rubin B. Hardin to Charlie Hardin and Louise Lee Crabtree to Betty Louise Hardin and John Beam Loftis to Teresa Ann Loftis! Thank you and hope this particular line helps clarify any possible missing links. Teresa

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    1. It is so nice to see someone else who is from Rebecca Narcisses and Lanier Brewer. I come from their son George W. Brewer and Jane Butler to George W. Brewer and Eliza Sims to Mary Brewer and Henderson Biffle to John Biffle and Rennie Buchan to Maude Biffle and Andrew Price to Hershel Price and Ida Howell to Judith Price and Charles Maxwell Sr. to Charles Maxwell and Linda Calaway to Me (Ashley Maxwell- Calaway). I hope this helps if there are also any missing links, If anyone else has any information it would be greatly appreciated.

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  53. I was curious did Dragging Canoe have daughters?

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    1. He could have had many daughters. "Marriages" back then weren't as we think of them today. According to Ethan, a curator at the Cherokee Museum in Cherokee, NC, the women decided on husbands. Many times, husbands were changed during the Green Corn Season. So, he could have had a dozen or more wives and many children with each.

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    2. He could have had many daughters. "Marriages" back then weren't as we think of them today. According to Ethan, a curator at the Cherokee Museum in Cherokee, NC, the women decided on husbands. Many times, husbands were changed during the Green Corn Season. So, he could have had a dozen or more wives and many children with each.

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  54. There are no "full blooded" Cherokee left. That was part of the plan to help"eradicate" the problems in the white man's progress.

    Only through DNA, have I been able to establish lineage to Tsi yu Gunsini. And that through DNA linking to descendants of recognized children of Dragging Canoe.

    I am in the line of Alexander Brown, who's mother Naky, has for decades been debated and denied as a child of Dragging Canoe. Looks like DNA is proving she was.

    I am lucky, the lineage has been passed down from Alexander through the women until my father.

    Dragging Canoe
    Naky
    Alexander Brown
    Sarah Brown
    Mary Jane Hambelton
    Ellen Lincoln Sloan
    Martha Euginie Miller
    My father
    Me

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  55. There are no "full blooded" Cherokee left. That was part of the plan to help"eradicate" the problems in the white man's progress.

    Only through DNA, have I been able to establish lineage to Tsi yu Gunsini. And that through DNA linking to descendants of recognized children of Dragging Canoe.

    I am in the line of Alexander Brown, who's mother Naky, has for decades been debated and denied as a child of Dragging Canoe. Looks like DNA is proving she was.

    I am lucky, the lineage has been passed down from Alexander through the women until my father.

    Dragging Canoe
    Naky
    Alexander Brown
    Sarah Brown
    Mary Jane Hambelton
    Ellen Lincoln Sloan
    Martha Euginie Miller
    My father
    Me

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    1. Hey gatorbit...wondering if you have any info on anyone who's done DNA testing to find a relationship with Dragging Canoe/Alexander Brown. I'm curious about my line...

      You can email me at jefferythescot@gmail.com. Thanks!

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    2. I am also a decedent through Sarah Brown. There have been many rude cousins (unknown to me) that have emailed me to take dragging canoe off my tree. Never did, and now with all the new ways to find connections through DNA, I am glad I didn't!
      DC and leaf Pathkiller
      A Brown and Naky Brown
      A Brown 11 and Violet Barton (also from native american decent)
      T Brown and M Turner
      M Brown and J Burns
      Fannie Burns and RWH Rymer
      Grandfather Paul Rymer


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  56. I have noticed on Ancestry.com that Stephen Redman (1770-1850 married to Susanna Stuart) has Dragging Canoe listed as his father on several "trees" but I am skeptical of this information because it doesn't seem to match the known family line of Dragging Canoe. Can any verify this information for me?

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  57. I am a descendent of the Cherokee nations of the Roarks. Want to know my family history. Email me at cward1522@gmail.com

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  58. I was recently given information that was passed down saying that My 5th great grandmother was Mary LNU Canoe (!747-1818), daughter of Dragging Canoe. Her husband was William Bilbro. Does anyone else have any record of her? my email is Kim.Lee32203@gmail.com

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  59. I was told I was part Cherokee. my sister brought up Dragging Conoe I see no connection. I am from a line of Cornett's. They came over from England via a man called Earl the immigrant. To be part Cherokee would be awesome. But that is not what I am looking for. I just want to know more about the family. My grand father, Abraham Lincoln Cornett was from Tennessee and moved to Anson co. North Carolina. A town called Polkton. He was born in the late 1800's. He spoke of an indian school he had to go to. Was there such a thing in tennesee? Let me know if you know of this.

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    1. I do know of a cornett connection if you want to contact me mburgos2001@gmail.com

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  60. I am Arick Quinton. I know I am a descendant of either James Quinton of S.C. or his brother Samuel Quinton. They were both Revolutionary war Veterans. I am working from me back. I lose my connection after Confederate Civil War Veteran Samuel Quinton. He is the husband of Elizabeth (Jacobs) Quinton. The Choctaw woman who lived to be very old and Had Quinton Oklahoma named after her. They are my great great grandparents. Looking for Samuel Quinton's father. arickquinton@hotmail.com

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    1. I am looking for this information as well, have you found anything yet?

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    2. Nothing concrete as of yet. I had a lady offer to help me but I've not heard from her yet.

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  61. Chief Dragging Canoe was my 7th time grandfather and I don't appreciate anyone calling him a savage! Learn your history before you call any Native American a savage

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  62. Just learned myself recently that Dragging Canoe is also my 6th time great grandfather, I'd like to confirm this for sure.... Could any " Potential " relatives email me @ bburns1178@gmail.com I'd be interested in speaking with you please, and TIA

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  63. His name wasn't spelled "Tsiyugunsini". This is some modern Cherokee Nation spelling nonsense. It was spelled Cheucunsene. He was born in 1732. His oldest son was Cheusdi Consene (Little Dragging Canoe) and he was born when Cheucunsene was 14 in 1746. His second son was Chuleo Conseen (Young Dragging Canoe) was born in 1752 when Cheucunsene was 20. He also had a daughter named Amasvyi Consene who was born in 1782 with him being 50 at the time. She became Amasa Chandler when she married Thomas Chandler in Surrey, North Carolina (1798). I've heard that there were others and some even ended up with the Tucker family in Georgia. A Christiana Conseen Tucker (she may have been a daughter of Cheusdi or Chuleo because her father was listed simply as Consene) was born in 1788 when all three men were alive and able to reproduce.

    The last name Conseen today comes from Cheucunsene. It originated with him. And the claims that he died in 1792 are also fiction. He was still alive in 1816 and met with President Madison to sign the Treaty of Washington, 1816. He hand picked the young John Ross and had Pathkiller and Hicks send Ross with him. Dragging Canoe stepped aside in 1792 and passed off leadership to his protege John Watts because he was 60 years old and it is inappropriate for a man to lead as a war chief past the age of 60 when he can no longer do what his warriors do. If you look at the signatures at the end of the Treaty of Washington, 1816 his name is last. The reason is simple, he was the reason the Cherokee refused to join Tecumseh. He was was the reason they joined Andrew Jackson in defeating the Northern Creeks. Without the Cherokee Jackson couldn't defeat the Creeks. Is a fact. And he was the reason that he, John Ross, Major Ridge, Colonel John Lowery, and others went behind Jackson's back and persuaded Washington to give the Cherokee the lands taken from the Northern Creeks. It was a retaliation against the Northern Creeks for helping Colonel John Sevier murder Old Abram and Old Tassel in 1788. The Northern Creeks also helped the Americans kidnap Dragging Canoe's daughter and when he got her back and she told him it was Creeks he waited for his chance to pay them back. And he did.

    Dragging Canoe also killed John Sevier. Met up with him during a festival, ate with him, and then drank with him. They laughed about their younger years and everything seemed fine. The next day as Sevier was leaving he drank wine that was spiked and died. Dragging Canoe was with him when he was buried under a tree on a hill overlooking a stream. He even placed a lock of his daughter's hair in the grave with him. He vowed to kill Sevier at the Treaty of Sycamore Shoals in 1775 and he did.

    This man has a LOT of descendants who don't even know it. Thousands. I'm sure of it because there are a few thousand from Amasvyi alone. All of her children had numerous children and their children. Some breeders on that line.

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  64. Chief Dragging Canoe is my 5th great grandfather. His daughter Abigail Canoe is my 4th Great grandmother. 💙

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  65. Dragging Canoe Andrew Brown Cherokee Wolf Clan 1734-1792 his wife Nelly Ug"a"lo"gv Leaf Pathkiller Cherokee 1734-1790 are my 6th great grandparents,proud to carry their blood.

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    1. Hi. I have been told that Nellie is fictional but my lines go back to her as well. Do you have proof other than ancestry.com? Would love to communicate with you.

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    2. I, too, was told Nellie was fictional. Rutha is in my line as Young’s wife. Did you get a response? Need to know, please. Thanks

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  66. Charles Baker Roark 1750-1830 married Abigail Raven Canoe 1755-1820, their daughter Sarah Roark is showing as my 4th ggm.

    My 4th ggf was John Anderson Taylor 1792-1855. I see no record of his marriage to Sarah Roark.

    Does anyone has any info on this.
    Also was Sarah Roark a gd of Dragging Canoe?

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  67. Charles Baker Roark 1750-1830 married Abigail Raven Canoe 1755-1820, their daughter Sarah Roark is showing as my 4th ggm.

    My 4th ggf was John Anderson Taylor 1792-1855. I see no record of his marriage to Sarah Roark.

    Does anyone has any info on this.
    Also was Sarah Roark a gd of Dragging Canoe?

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    1. My name it Timothy Roark, I live in Chickamauga Ga and My great great grandfather was James Adelbert Roark 1821 - 1860 , We are at a dead end as to who his father was or if he had any siblings. I know that Dragging Canoe was in this area and I wondered if we may be part of this Roark family. We have had several Charles Roark's in our family through the generations. Hoping you can help. Tim Roark tdr.roark@gmail.com

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  68. Hello, My name it Timothy Roark, I live in Chickamauga Ga and My great great grandfather was James Adelbert Roark 1821 - 1860 , We are at a dead end as to who his father was or if he had any siblings. I know that Dragging Canoe was in this area and I wander if we may be part of this Roark family. We have had several Charles Roark's in our family through the generations. Hoping you can help. Tim Roark tdr.roark@gmail.com

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  69. Thank you for the post. He was my 5th great grandfather. Where did you find the picture? I would live to get a print of it.



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  70. He was my 7th Great Grandfather. I do not claim to be Cherokee just because I have ancestors who were Native American but I do respect them and what they went through. I hope we can all live in peace as it is not our fault of what went on many years ago. I love all people.

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  71. I am a descendent from Charles Roark which I discovered on ancestry. I have always been told that our Davis Family had Cherokee in our lineage but I think everyone in the south hears that. I found this from researching Abigail and would love to know more.
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  74. I am researching on behalf of my mother in law. It keeps popping up that her great great great grandfather Levi Canter was married to a woman named Sarah/Sally. Sarah/Sally is supposed to be the daughter of Margaret who is supposed to be a daughter of Dragging Canoe. Does anyone know if this is correct or incorrect? If anyone can point me in the right direction or help, please feel free to email me at : nattaliedorch@gmail.com

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  76. Hello all. In researching my ancestry, Chief Dragging Canoe is my 6th g-grandfather. According to what I have found, he and Ugalogv Leaf Nellie Pathkiller had a daughter, Mary, who married James Blevins. They then had JB, Jr., who had Joseph, who had Squire, who had John Wesley, who is my great-grandfather. Anyone have any info about Mary and James Blevins? Thank you!

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  77. Exciting to know that this Famous warrior left behind so many relations. I enjoyed all the posts except the very first one. This Dragging Canoe, was a Hero indeed.

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  79. He is my 7th grandfather through his daughter ‘Sarah.’ Thanks for all the information. A great read as I dig into my families genealogy.

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  83. Does anyone know who his wife was? And was one of his sons blackfox?

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  85. Why are there so many zealot MAGA nut jobs on here making snide remarks with massive spelling errors and an obvious lack of any education in the subject of History? Wow. Talk about disrespectful and ignorant.

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  86. I'm directly descended twice from dragging canoe. Hes my 7th and 8th great grandfather

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